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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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To be honest, their best tactic would be to say without immigration neither her nor Priti Patel would be here. So it's a compelling argument.
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It's not possible to be an illegal asylum seeker.
clint van damme
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Like the gay in America and with the hammer,rope etc.
It's the language of the BNP.
Just the sort of stuff that drives fire bombs and the poor bloke who felt he needed to top himself.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well sadly there is also this happening already. Will Braverman condemn it?
Fifteen-year-old boy charged with trying to kill child asylum seeker | UK news | The Guardian
shmmeee
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No but illegal immigration exists, it’s just none of these people.
I do wonder if they know what they are angry about.
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skybluetony176
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He’ll probably be voted out first. Which would mean he’s spent less time out of the country than Boris has since parliament returned from the summer break.
Unavailable for the enquiry?
Sky Blue Pete
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They’d leave
shmmeee
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Then they’d have to sell all their U.K. based assets.
(I also think the likelihood of this is low and we wouldn’t miss those that go).
A nation shouldn’t be held hostage by a few privileged individuals.
That after Sunak snubbed him ?
Not sure how much you’re planning on taxing people shmmeee but the proposals I’ve seen are around 1-1.5% which would generate around £10-14bn. Not to be sniffed at but let’s be honest I bet most big multi millionaires would soon shift assets away from U.K. and I also think most calculations include illiquid assets like properties and pensions.
By the way, I’m all for the rich, especially the super rich, to be paying more, I just think in the global world we live in it’s probably not as easy a target as people think. Something needs to be done though, especially when they’re likely to be asking the average man/woman on the street to be chipping in more
I’d be shocked if a more far reaching windfall tax isn’t introduced when budget is released. I can’t believe that there still hasn’t been an advertising campaign regarding reduced energy usage rolled out now crazy Liz has gone. This could save the government billions*
*im still on a self imposed central heating ban…take that Putin ! Got to be honest, the mild October has been appreciated though
Sky Blue Pete
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Well tax policy has been for decades
shmmeee
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That after Sunak snubbed him ?
Not sure how much you’re planning on taxing people shmmeee but the proposals I’ve seen are around 1-1.5% which would generate around £10-14bn. Not to be sniffed at but let’s be honest I bet most big multi millionaires would soon shift assets away from U.K. and I also think most calculations include illiquid assets like properties and pensions.
By the way, I’m all for the rich, especially the super rich, to be paying more, I just think in the global world we live in it’s probably not as easy a target as people think. Something needs to be done though, especially when they’re likely to be asking the average man/woman on the street to be chipping in more
I’d be shocked if a more far reaching windfall tax isn’t introduced when budget is released. I can’t believe that there still hasn’t been an advertising campaign regarding reduced energy usage rolled out now crazy Liz has gone. This could save the government billions*
*im still on a self imposed central heating ban…take that Putin ! Got to be honest, the mild October has been appreciated though
Basing it off these numbers from the open letter from a group of million and billionaires earlier this year:
When do we expect the through the floor current gas price will get passed on?That after Sunak snubbed him ?
Not sure how much you’re planning on taxing people shmmeee but the proposals I’ve seen are around 1-1.5% which would generate around £10-14bn. Not to be sniffed at but let’s be honest I bet most big multi millionaires would soon shift assets away from U.K. and I also think most calculations include illiquid assets like properties and pensions.
By the way, I’m all for the rich, especially the super rich, to be paying more, I just think in the global world we live in it’s probably not as easy a target as people think. Something needs to be done though, especially when they’re likely to be asking the average man/woman on the street to be chipping in more
I’d be shocked if a more far reaching windfall tax isn’t introduced when budget is released. I can’t believe that there still hasn’t been an advertising campaign regarding reduced energy usage rolled out now crazy Liz has gone. This could save the government billions*
*im still on a self imposed central heating ban…take that Putin ! Got to be honest, the mild October has been appreciated though
Tankers apparently sitting out at sea waiting for the price to increase again.
shmmeee
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I just fundamentally don’t believe tax policy attracts investment. I’ve seen no evidence for it and there’s lots of data looking at corporation tax rates in different states and company investment. It’s a lie told to keep tax rates for rich people low, same as the mythical Laffer curve.
People live here because we’re a great country with a stable economy (usually) and a skilled workforce. Johnny Millionaire isn’t going to abandon all his friends family and business at home to save a few bob. And if he does someone else will take the opportunity to exploit the resources here.
People live here because we’re a great country with a stable economy (usually) and a skilled workforce. Johnny Millionaire isn’t going to abandon all his friends family and business at home to save a few bob. And if he does someone else will take the opportunity to exploit the resources here.
shmmeee
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*im still on a self imposed central heating ban…take that Putin ! Got to be honest, the mild October has been appreciated though
Putin being undone by climate change is a delicious irony TBF.
Brexit has led to a loss of investment greater than tax policy has IMO.
Thanks. I’d heard about that but not seen it. How many signatures did it have ?
Surely at least those billionaires could chuck in 5-10% ?!
I agree there’s no way most people with families would up sticks for a one off percent or two. I just don’t think it would be as easy to get hands on the cash as some suggest.
Plenty of people avoid current tax already. motor sports springs to mind, drivers basing themselves elsewhere to save tax.
Agree that somethings worth a crack though. The super rich are hoarding more and more these days. How much do they need ?!
shmmeee
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Exactly and that was fine because muh sovereignty.
Exactly. I’m not saying the figures are accurate or people would avoid it. But I’m tired of not even trying because it’s not worth it so let’s cut Nurses pay again because they can’t leave.
Signatures are here, TBF only names I recognise are Mark Ruffalo (plays the Hulk in the MCU) and the Disney heirs: Signatories — In Tax We Trust
skybluetony176
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It’s also costs us about 5% of our GDP I was reading somewhere last week, whereas the deficit hole Sunak is trying to fill with the autumn budget is about 2.5% of our GDP. On that basis brexit can only lead to higher taxes and cuts. That’s not going to be rescinded at some point in the future either unless someone find’s a way to make brexit work, somehow.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Agree entirely but the other thing needed is equivalence between individuals and organisations.
Individuals get their gross taxed, not their net.
Individuals get less taxable income.
Individuals don't get to carry forward/back years where they've made a loss.
So make it the same for everything. Apart from simplifying the entire system you could drop the rates of tax to probably 5% if you charged businesses on gross. Plus you wouldn't have businesses doing things purely for the tax write off
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's because they're addicts.
If you write the sentence "a person already has lots of _________ but will be willing to do things that could cause harm and suffering to others to get more" you'd say that clearly signifies an addict.
If you put in words like drugs, alcohol or sex then you wouldn't think twice about calling that person an addict. But put money in...
shmmeee
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There’s also an economic argument here. Everyone has played monopoly, money begets money and capitalism is a system for funnelling money from the masses to the few. If you never take money from the wealthy and put it back in the bottom of the system the system eventually fails.
People who are against wealth taxes generally are scared they won’t be able to make it again, which suggests they know it was luck not skill that got them there. So it rewards the lucky, not the innovative and productive.
People who are against wealth taxes generally are scared they won’t be able to make it again, which suggests they know it was luck not skill that got them there. So it rewards the lucky, not the innovative and productive.
Brighton Sky Blue
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David O'Day
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Is the tories only attack line "Jeremy Corbyn"?
they are fucked
they are fucked
JAM See
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I know that we on the left are not supposed to descend to such fripperies as 'personality' politics.
But the 'Jeremy Corbyn' line, from the party that enabled Liz Truss is surely an open goal.
MPs either have to defend her, or admit that their members are idiots.
Alistair Campbell would be sticking the boot in. Hard.
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And I thought we couldn't get worse than under Liz Truss.