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Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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I would have to look it up Gilbert's post online but as usual her name instantly escapes my mind.
 
Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
I swear half the misinformation on the internet is down to people lack of reading comprehension.
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Unless, of course, Gilbert giving what people needed to know on the Twitter feed, and other people are spinning like crazy, Not you Shmmeee, when I talk to you, it feels like the spinning has stopped and this is what's giving me vertigo.
 
shmmeee

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Philosorapter said:
Unless, of course, Gilbert giving what people need to know on the Twitter feed, and other people are spinning like crazy, Not you Shmmeee, when I talk to you, it feels like the spinning has stopped and this is what's giving me vertigo.
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There’s literally nothing in that tweet that supports your position. She wanted to step down for a while, everyone knew this, I know people who know her personally and know the reasons, it was nothing to do with “jump before you’re pushed”.
 
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shmmeee said:
There’s literally nothing in that tweet that supports your position. She wanted to step down for a while, everyone knew this, I know people who know her personally and know the reasons, it was nothing to do with “jump before you’re pushed”.
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She's the only Coventry MP still with a large majority, so am pretty sure she wouldn't have been pushed, even if personally some might think she could do more.

(And she has answered every email I've written her, even if it is often just with a party political broadcast back!)
 
Philosoraptor

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Deleted member 5849 said:
A full-on lefty policy would be border controls on steroids...
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It is popular to label libertarianism as a right-wing doctrine. But this is mistaken. For one, on social (rather than economic) issues, libertarianism implies what are commonly considered left-wing views. And second, there is a subset of so-called “left-libertarian” theories. While all libertarians endorse similar rights over the person, left-libertarians differ from other libertarians with respect to how much people can appropriate in terms of unowned natural resources (land, air, water, minerals, etc.).

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

plato.stanford.edu

That's just totally fucked up shmmeee's argument.
 
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shmmeee

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Philosorapter said:
It is popular to label libertarianism as a right-wing doctrine. But this is mistaken. For one, on social (rather than economic) issues, libertarianism implies what are commonly considered left-wing views. And second, there is a subset of so-called “left-libertarian” theories. While all libertarians endorse similar rights over the person, left-libertarians differ from other libertarians with respect to how much people can appropriate in terms of unowned natural resources (land, air, water, minerals, etc.).

Libertarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

plato.stanford.edu

That's just totally fucked up shmmeee argument.
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At its most basic level left vs right is about government interference in the economy. What you mean is you’re socially liberal. The left wing position is controlled immigration to keep workers wages high. That’s why that’s Corbyns position.

The right wing position is cheap labour. That’s why that was Blair and Cameron’s position.

This might help you out if you’ve got access: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.12099

What you actually mean is “be nice to asylum seekers and don’t be racist” but that’s nothing to do with border controls and everything to do with equality laws and efficient processing of claims. Which no Labour leader since Blair has ever disagreed with.

Just more lazy “we’re the only moral people actually” bollocks.
 
Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
At its most basic level left vs right is about government interference in the economy. What you mean is you’re socially liberal. The left wing position is controlled immigration to keep workers wages high. That’s why that’s Corbyns position.

The right wing position is cheap labour. That’s why that was Blair and Cameron’s position.

This might help you out if you’ve got access: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-923X.12099

What you actually mean is “be nice to asylum seekers and don’t be racist” but that’s nothing to do with border controls and everything to do with equality laws and efficient processing of claims. Which no Labour leader since Blair has ever disagreed with.

Just more lazy “we’re the only moral people actually” bollocks.
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It's like arguing with a large plank of wood.

Have a decent one Shmmeee :)
 
David O'Day

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Deleted member 5849 said:
She's the only Coventry MP still with a large majority, so am pretty sure she wouldn't have been pushed, even if personally some might think she could do more.

(And she has answered every email I've written her, even if it is often just with a party political broadcast back!)
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yeah she's stepping down as she wants to step down
 
shmmeee

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Philosorapter said:
It's like arguing with a large plank of wood.

Have a decent one Shmmeee :)
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Im not sure you’ve put a single argument across. We’ve gone from you quoting a post about a Tory MP being thick with some comment about mugs, then from me pointing out Corbyn was the king of shit merch to you going on about CCC, to weird baseless conspiracy theories about Colleen Fletcher, to you not understanding why controlled immigration is a left wing policy and always has been.

And I’m someone who actually understands your graphs so am starting from a high base.
 
JAM See

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shmmeee said:
Just unbelievable. Just strengthens my belief that we need a proper government run software house that builds this kind of stuff (as well as school and NHS systems)
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It's endemic.
When I worked for a well known luxury car manufacturer, the vehicles themselves would be updated every twelve months, but the IT systems behind that development were expected to keep pace without being upgraded on a regular basis.
 
shmmeee

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JAM See said:
It's endemic.
When I worked for a well known luxury car manufacturer, the vehicles themselves would be updated every twelve months, but the IT systems behind that development were expected to keep pace without being upgraded on a regular basis.
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I mean in manufacturing that can work. I remember the DOS machines at Marconi at the turn of the century that just worked so no one touched them.

But there’s some fairly basic stuff that a half decent IT system could solve for government (in fact I think Estonia has an open source system for a lot of it already). Their problem is always farming it out to fucking awful software houses like Crapita and not building capability internally.

Also a British software house could build on FOSS projects and licence them to British business boosting productivity or register patents that make the treasury money. We have some of the best developers on the planet we should use them.
 
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So much for Sunak's government of unity and integrity. This clown show will not end until they are booted out.
 
David O'Day

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Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

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David O'Day

David O'Day

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Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

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clint van damme

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David O'Day said:
Amazing what is going in in the states, republicans should be waltzing home but they may at best squeak home in house. Maga republicanism can't win in 2024

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I think that Capitol Hill malarkey pissed off a lot of people.
No one who believes in democracy wants to see that shit no matter what their political hue.
 
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