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Yup. Somewhere, sometime, people need to understand a good service costs.
Yup. Somewhere, sometime, people need to understand a good service costs.That said I’m not sure voters are ready for the truth and like the simple lies that feel good.
Yup. Somewhere, sometime, people need to understand a good service costs.
It's always a lazy line with councils though. I mean we've seen it recently. Sure, criticise Martin Reeves's competence or otherwise for the job he was doing, but the salary for the job he was doing was actually not that much, relative to elsewhere and similar responsibilities!It’s also not having an obsession with instant cost. Take house building for example: obviously local councils building and renting houses is cost effective in the long term and possibly even a money maker, but if CCC got to spend £100m on building social housing the likes of Reid and Gilbert would have a field day about the sums involved. We saw this a bit with TWW, I’m agnostic on it as a project (I haven’t looked enough into it) but the reason for the spend was never reported because “council brings waste management in house” is not as exciting headlines as “council spends sum with lots of zeroes in it”. Same with the CBS story which really should have been about any involvement with Ashley and instead because about a nothingburger cos it’s easier to get flashy headlines about.
There obviously need to be oversight (see that council that went bust or the PPE scandals) but it feels like right now we don’t scrutinise where we should and overscrutinise where we shouldn’t.
The problem with these independent pay review bodies is they tend to be stacked with venture capitalists who have no grip of reality in the sector they're recommending a pay award for. I think the one for the teachers said to our union 'you'll get that pay rise over my dead body'.This is spot on. It just appears a shambles at the moment and getting worse. I was reading another article recently that was again, rightly suggesting, it’s not that there’s too many managers, just that many at senior levels just aren’t very good. This then leads to consultants being brought in getting paid exorbitant amounts to do senior manger level jobs for them. That plus the merry go round of health ministers post pandemic!
If that’s sorted plus social care I reckon a lot of the immediate pressure will be relieved. Back log will obviously take a lot longer. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out that if 13k beds (filled by people well enough to go home with right care) get freed up, A&E pressures reduce and ambulances don’t get stuck in the queue. I’d also stop paramedics stopping with non critical ambulance cases and get back out on road
What the fuck Sunaks doing by not at least trying to get pay offer up a bit I don’t know. I’d have immediately brought forward a new pay review* due to exceptional circumstances. The fact there’s 40k vacancies justifies a different treatment to others. He’ll lose the public battle if he doesn’t budge as this is very different to train and postal strikes
*think the last/current one was Feb so is well out of date. I might be wrong though
They being independent shouldn't be under terms set from the boss then!The problem with these independent pay review bodies is they tend to be stacked with venture capitalists who have no grip of reality in the sector they're recommending a pay award for. I think the one for the teachers said to our union 'you'll get that pay rise over my dead body'.
They need to return to being collectively bargained between the bodies recognised to represent whichever work force it is, and the government.
He would probably be up before a panel if he were still in the profession and making similar commentsI see Gullis is spreading his pearls of wisdom again. Claiming that the clergy shouldn’t preach from the pulpit. Scary that this guy used to be a teacher. The best thing that ever happened to the education system is this guy becoming an MP, it keeps him away from kids.
The Sun, Daily Mail and Express readers will just say ita bollocks, that the NHS has enough money but just wastes it on managers, despite the fact managers make up just 2% of the NHS companies with 9% of the general workforce population.Thread here explaining similar things to what I've tried to do re NHS management. Wrongly though tries to ignore that management costs
This is spot on. It just appears a shambles at the moment and getting worse. I was reading another article recently that was again, rightly suggesting, it’s not that there’s too many managers, just that many at senior levels just aren’t very good. This then leads to consultants being brought in getting paid exorbitant amounts to do senior manger level jobs for them. That plus the merry go round of health ministers post pandemic!
The Sun, Daily Mail and Express readers will just say ita bollocks, that the NHS has enough money but just wastes it on managers, despite the fact managers make up just 2% of the NHS companies with 9% of the general workforce population.
Is the NHS overmanaged?
An in-depth look at one of the most persistent questions on NHS management.www.nhsconfed.org
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That doesn't include online, or via Facebook or twitter, etc.Just looking at circulation figures and those three combined clock in at less than 2m readers. Honestly think we need to stop giving them more credit than they deserve and hopefully the likes of the BBC will follow.
That doesn't include online, or via Facebook or twitter, etc.
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Thats nonsense. There are some really talented managers in the NHS. The reason is consultants get brought in as there's not enough managers in the NHS to deliver fundamental transformation whilst trying to not drown with the day to day operational pressures.
What other huge business would be able to function with such little management?
Is the NHS overmanaged?
An in-depth look at one of the most persistent questions on NHS management.www.nhsconfed.org
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Thats nonsense. There are some really talented managers in the NHS. The reason is consultants get brought in as there's not enough managers in the NHS to deliver fundamental transformation whilst trying to not drown with the day to day operational pressures.
What other huge business would be able to function with such little management?
Is the NHS overmanaged?
An in-depth look at one of the most persistent questions on NHS management.www.nhsconfed.org
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You would of course get more buy-in to changes if you boost funding significantly at the same time. If you don't, it looks like you're just making excuses and looking for fall guys because you're unable / unwilling to fund it more. And, tbf, that's probably what's happening!I’ll leave it there as I’ve banged on about my thoughts before. Nhs needs more funding yes, however, there needs to be some significant changes to make it work properly again
Guy just on five live quoting just £11.95
The only paramedic i know personally earns more than the post I listed, but of course can't speak for all. I'd be surprised based on that but I have no real point of reference.Guy just on five live quoting just £11.95
For.1st years?
For the job they do, it doesn't seem great tbh.The only paramedic i know personally earns more than the post I listed, but of course can't speak for all. I'd be surprised based on that but I have no real point of reference.
Arguably not, but they are citing that they can't afford to live on it. A little insulting when many of the people they serve earn significantly less. My wife as an example earns half that as a Nanny. Less skilled, less important I grant, but works for a Consultant Anesthetist who couldn't work without childcare. Not complaining at her wage btw, we think it's fair, but to suggest they can't afford to live at that level feels a bit disingenuous. Worth more I wouldnt dispute, but that isnt the argument.For the job they do, it doesn't seem great tbh.
Could be who knows. I saw the protest on the news and as it referenced Coventry I simply googled 'average paramedic salary Coventry' and clicked on the top link. You can do the same and rightly or wrongly, without evidence to the contrary I'm more inclined to take that as fact than you telling me otherwise. If you have an alternative link please post it.I doubt it as 40k is Band 7 AfC, most paramedics are Band 5 and Band 6 (similar to nurses). Not that the base salary is even particularly relevant to the desire to keep pace with the cost of living.
Arguably not, but they are citing that they can't afford to live on it. A little insulting when many of the people they serve earn significantly less. My wife as an example earns half that as a Nanny. Less skilled, less important I grant, but works for a Consultant Anesthetist who couldn't work without childcare. Not complaining at her wage btw, we think it's fair, but to suggest they can't afford to live at that level feels a bit disingenuous. Worth more I wouldnt dispute, but that isnt the argument.
Could be who knows. I saw the protest on the news and as it referenced Coventry I simply googled 'average paramedic salary Coventry' and clicked on the top link. You can do the same and rightly or wrongly, without evidence to the contrary I'm more inclined to take that as fact than you telling me otherwise. If you have an alternative link please post it.
Plumber's) Builder's.Your wife deserves more.
There is one profession whose salary has rose very generously in the last couple of decades, can you guess who it is?
Could be who knows. I saw the protest on the news and as it referenced Coventry I simply googled 'average paramedic salary Coventry' and clicked on the top link. You can do the same and rightly or wrongly, without evidence to the contrary I'm more inclined to take that as fact than you telling me otherwise. If you have an alternative link please post it.
Possibly more accurate. The only reference I have is a friend of ours who has done it for years so is more likely to be at the top of that pay structure, although it did say based on 76 returns, so presumably a number of longstanding employees if that is base average on the link I posted.Yes
Agenda for change - pay rates
Band 1 (Please note that following the 2018 pay deal, band 1 closed to new entrants from 1 December 2018). £23,615 Examples of roles at band 1 - domestic support worker, housekeeping assistant, driver and nursery assistant. Band 2 < 2 years' experience £23,615 2+ years £23,615 Examples of roles...www.healthcareers.nhs.uk
Paramedics start at Band 5 (£27k) and move up to Band 6 with experience, a paramedic with 5> years of experience would reach £40k salary
By the way, worth pointing out that not all people in ambulances are Paramedics which is a more qualified role, I think it's usually a Paramedic and an Emergency Medical Technician and their max salary is £32k (top of Band 5).
I mean you seem to be trying to work backwards from a conclusion that the strikes are wrong and paramedics are already paid enough. Which is fine, but it's not very subtle and tells me you won't trust whatever data goes against that preconceptionPossibly more accurate. The only reference I have is a friend of ours who has done it for years so is more likely to be at the top of that pay structure, although it did say based on 76 returns, so presumably a number of longstanding employees if that is base average on the link I posted.
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