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shmmeee

shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
The tide is turning but it’s a slow process. Let's hope things continue moving in the right direction.
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NHS staff are always massively popular with a public who thinks they’re underpaid. Nurses are always the go to comparison when talking about other “over paid” people.

It’s extremely politically naive to pick a fight with them.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Deleted member 5849 said:
You would of course get more buy-in to changes if you boost funding significantly at the same time. If you don't, it looks like you're just making excuses and looking for fall guys because you're unable / unwilling to fund it more. And, tbf, that's probably what's happening!
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Yeah, it’s always been the issue for me. If as a government you said ‘we’re increasing spending but it will be going towards driving reform and improvements’ you negate the argument that it’s all about cuts. I think shmmeee made the point previously, whether we can get everyone to accept they need to pay more is a different matter. Johnson tried to do this with increase in NI and many were up in arms 🤷‍♂️. I think we’ll live to regret reversing what was that the first acknowledgement that significant additional funding is required for social care

I’ll stand by my comment about the nhs not being managed effectively though. I knew of consultants in there 15+ years ago struggling to drive change/make improvements and dealing with people who won’t make decisions. I’ve mentioned a book before which talks about the culture of resistance to change/unwillingness to accept and learn from mistakes in the sector. Both pre date impact of austerity. I’ve also seen more recently first and second hand patient processes that are illogical and add burden on front line because ‘it’s the way we do it’.
 
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CCFCSteve

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shmmeee said:
Just negotiate FGS. Offer them 9% or something and see what happens. Stupid stupid tactics from the govt and like Thatcher it’ll just hurt them.
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Yeah, they’re going to have to pay more. Accept the previous pay review is out of date and put some thing better in the table. Even if it was like scotlands 7.5%

You do wonder if they’re holding off in the worry that putting whatever on the table will set a precedent to others striking/threatening to strike. They’re on a losing battle with this and Barclays out of his depth
 
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CCFCSteve

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shmmeee said:
NHS staff are always massively popular with a public who thinks they’re underpaid. Nurses are always the go to comparison when talking about other “over paid” people.

It’s extremely politically naive to pick a fight with them.
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Especially with 40k vacancies 🤦‍♂️
 
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wingy

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CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, it’s always been the issue for me. If as a government you said ‘we’re increasing spending but it will be going towards driving reform and improvements’ you negate the argument that it’s all about cuts. I think shmmeee made the point previously, whether we can get everyone to accept they need to pay more is a different matter. Johnson tried to do this with increase in NI and many were up in arms 🤷‍♂️. I think we’ll live to regret reversing what was that the first acknowledgement that significant additional funding is required for social care

I’ll stand by my comment about the nhs not being managed effectively though. I knew of consultants in there 15+ years ago struggling to drive change/make improvements and dealing with people who won’t make decisions. I’ve mentioned a book before which talks about the culture of resistance to change/unwillingness to accept and learn from mistakes in the sector. Both pre date impact of austerity. I’ve also seen more recently first and second hand patient processes that are illogical and add burden on front line because ‘it’s the way we do it’.
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The reversal was a stupid decision.
Christ the freeze on thresholds over the coming years will dwarf it potentially fourfold.
Of course the issue I had at the time was it going into general budget initially before getting to care homes etc.
 
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shmmeee said:
Just negotiate FGS. Offer them 9% or something and see what happens. Stupid stupid tactics from the govt and like Thatcher it’ll just hurt them.
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Yes but they also need to tackle the resourcing issue. Especially for the ambulance workers it is not just about pay.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ian1779 said:
I know - but I wanted to make an extra point about Wootton 😃
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To be fair I think Neville would be in for the hypocrite award vying with Lineker and Beckham
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Betrayed Britain!!!! For speaking about it ??
What about the cunts that have caused it ffs
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That's the problem. For them anything other than pretending that this country is practically perfect is a traitor and hates Britain*.

Which gives them the excuse to complain about lefties and anything that's slightly different because that will of course send it away from that perfection.




*Unless a left leaning government is in power in which case the country has gone to shit and them saying that is them showing how much they love Britain.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Just listening to R4, spend per head is down. Making the point we’re a low tax economy, only 30% of GDP compared to France or Denmark which are 50%.
 
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