Nuskyblue
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Midsomer Murders but warm?
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Mainly on Twitter where he has upset a load of loons. Sadly the days of intelligent debate on anything are long gone replaced by insults. Too many people pick a side inherit a portfolio of beliefs that will never waiver from and behave like school children. Actually that’s an insult to schoolchildren
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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If he had supported the govt he wouldn't have tweeted anything at all.
David O'Day
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Nuskyblue
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Hangover TV. I always used to watch Midsomer after a night of over indulgence.
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Yes. Friend of Boris Johnson and of course his role in getting Johnson a loan had no impact on him getting the job.
clint van damme
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I think free speech and the concept of cancel culture are 2 entirely different things.
I will also guarantee that you'll find examples of hypocrisy regarding free speech from everyone on here who claims to be an advocate of it, including myself. Its such a complex issue.
And free speech surely doesn't mean you can say what you want without consequence?
Grendel
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hes accused the former political editor of the bbc for being a Tory mouthpiece but surely that’s freedom of speech
You are missing the point.
It's not about free speech, or cancel culture, or Jeremy Clarkson.
It's the double standards from the BBC on what their employees are allowed to say, depending on who they are criticising.
And that if you criticise the government they lean on your employer to have you dismissed.
Looking at the people supporting Lineker it's not a left or right thing.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Again, it depends on who's making the rules. As I said - there's hypocrisy everywhere. I just think policing language is stupid, and that's my viewpoint in general.
There's war going on, starving children, and we're worried about what someone's saying? I don't think I'll ever get it I'm afraid.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It comes back to that though. Why are people supporting Lineker? Largely because they think s
he should be allowed to say what he wants. Those people were absolutely silent when others were getting in trouble after expressing an opinion that they didn't agree with politically.
We've got people saying that it's dangerous. I agree with that, but where the fuck were they for the last several years?
Edit: Misgendered Lineker
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clint van damme
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No, because she was employed to do her job ehich involved being impartial which she clearly wasn't and she was shit her job, she should have been sacked.
I don't like the man, and he clearly holds right wing views but when Neil interviewed a tory he gave them a grilling, he did his job properly.
Speaking of, I'm struggling to read through this thread with all the dumbed down comments littered through the last 3 pages from Grendel.
David O'Day
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could be silent
clint van damme
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Well who does that benefit?
HS2 fucked, shir flowing into rivers, only G7 country whose economy hasn't returned to pre pandemic levels, fuel bills through the roof compared to our neighbours, NHS in crisis
Guess who's delighted were talking about Lineker, in fact, I reckon he's fucking working for them!
David O'Day
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I know you're trying to be funny, but you actually misspelled his name. May be worth an "Edit".
oakey
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Free speech is not absolute. There are things we cannot say. Civilised communities draw lines which we can debate til the cows come home.
There is always inconsistency in our views, and actions, because we are complex beings with our own life experience and prejudices.
It seems to me that left and right have their core values, which they bang on about and sometimes to toxic extremes.
But on this occasion, free speech is the issue, and that's supposed to be a core value of the right. Whatever they think of Lineker's tweet they should defend his right to say it.
If they hide behind, "the bbc should be impartial" they are making exemptions from their core value and are moving towards authoritarianism.
Which incidently will nicely reveal they are what they accuse Lineker of saying they are.
There is always inconsistency in our views, and actions, because we are complex beings with our own life experience and prejudices.
It seems to me that left and right have their core values, which they bang on about and sometimes to toxic extremes.
But on this occasion, free speech is the issue, and that's supposed to be a core value of the right. Whatever they think of Lineker's tweet they should defend his right to say it.
If they hide behind, "the bbc should be impartial" they are making exemptions from their core value and are moving towards authoritarianism.
Which incidently will nicely reveal they are what they accuse Lineker of saying they are.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Yeah, I also used 'she' instead of 'he' by accident.
Not really trying to be funny, but it is on topic. Sorry if I offended you.
clint van damme
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I dont care whether or not Lineker is allowed to say what he wants or not, (plenty of jobs have restrictions, it's not cancel culture, it goes with the territory), Icare, as a licence fee payer, that the rules aren't being applied fairly.
BBC really have fucked it, impressively so. I don't think they could have handled this any worse
Actually I do have the ability to read, ergo the point about the misspelling. Not sure what you think I would be offended about? You appear to be having some sort of breakdown on this thread though. Also not sure what "topic" you think we're on.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think you might be a little bit more upset than I am!
JAM See
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Sorry to disagree, but the country isn't dumbed down, and culture wars are not bullshit.
Opposition to slavery, universal suffrage, unionisation, health and safety legislation blah blah blah were all ridiculed by the media of the time(s) as being against the natural order and by definition our 'culture'.
As a society we move forward through dissent and argument; and eventually compromise.
Shutting down argument will only move us backwards.
And as for culture wars being a modern phenomenon, that's a load of bollocks too. We fought the RP wars with the BBC in the forties. We won then (not until the '80s with the world service, but hey ho), and we will continue to move the dial.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Oakey, I agree with a fair amount of what you are saying. I do think those on the right who are making a fuss of this are hiding behind the BBC argument. As someone who doesn't pay the license fee, I don't care about that bit anyway. I just think free speech shouldn't be restricted, at least not anywhere near the way it is with levels of offence etc.
Those defending Lineker though, should have been there when others were getting in trouble that have expressed an opinion with a different political stance. That's the part that annoys me. We're suddenly seeing people saying this stuff is dangerous. Over-consequence of free speech has been going on for ages, it's only now that it has hit a nerve with a lot of people.
skybluetony176
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The BBC is waiting patiently for the silent majority to find their voice and back them up. Oh, wait… they don’t exist like everything else in the phoney culture war.
JAM See
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BBC really having a moment.
www.theguardian.com
BBC apologises for failure to scrutinise Nadine Dorries’ claims about Sue Gray
Former culture secretary called into question neutrality of civil servant after her appointment as Keir Starmer’s chief of staff
skybluetony176
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Been out tonight so just catching up and the BBC seems to have backed themselves into a corner so badly it’s hard to see how they’re going to get out of it without having to apologise to Gary Lineker. Which would be hilarious.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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There's more protests going on than there was for Qatar!
chiefdave
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Where for some reason the BBC had no issue with sports presenters discussing human rights at length