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Grendel

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,576
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s not in power
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He can't challenge policies his shadow chancellor supports can he?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,577
Grendel said:
He can't challenge policies his shadow chancellor supports can he?
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What policies are these?
 

duffer

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,578
Slightly different topic, but there's an excellent (imho) editorial on the difference between how everyone is busting a gut, (rightfully) to save a few very rich westerners in peril in a mini-sub... As compared to what's happened in the med where a boat carrying 750 migrants (including children) was largely ignored until it sank, with the loss of hundreds.

Lots of different opinions on migration, obviously, but there's something uncomfortable about the difference in the approach here and how we value human life.

The Guardian view on danger at sea: looking out for all those in peril | Editorial

Editorial: The contrast between the frantic hunt for a missing submersible and the failure to save migrants drowning in the Mediterranean is illuminating
www.theguardian.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,579
duffer said:
Slightly different topic, but there's an excellent (imho) editorial on the difference between how everyone is busting a gut, (rightfully) to save a few very rich westerners in peril in a mini-sub... As compared to what's happened in the med where a boat carrying 750 migrants (including children) was largely ignored until it sank, with the loss of hundreds.

Lots of different opinions on migration, obviously, but there's something uncomfortable about the difference in the approach here and how we value human life.

The Guardian view on danger at sea: looking out for all those in peril | Editorial

Editorial: The contrast between the frantic hunt for a missing submersible and the failure to save migrants drowning in the Mediterranean is illuminating
www.theguardian.com
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It’s sick!!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,580
Sky Blue Pete said:
He’s not in power
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He's less than 12 months out from an election and miles ahead in polls, he must have something to say by now
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,581
fernandopartridge said:
He's less than 12 months out from an election and miles ahead in polls, he must have something to say by now
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He’s so scared of messing up isn’t he? I’m not defending him
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,582
fernandopartridge said:
He's less than 12 months out from an election and miles ahead in polls, he must have something to say by now
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Whatever it is, he’d probably bin it after a week or two anyway.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,583
Alison McGovern on Politics Live says that Labour would do nothing differently to the current government, they would stick to their "fiscal rules" and would do nothing that would add to the "instability". Post Truss they are in the space where they delude themselves to believe that the era of austerity is a safe place, and not the root cause of virtually all current problems.
 
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rob9872

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,584
duffer said:
Slightly different topic, but there's an excellent (imho) editorial on the difference between how everyone is busting a gut, (rightfully) to save a few very rich westerners in peril in a mini-sub... As compared to what's happened in the med where a boat carrying 750 migrants (including children) was largely ignored until it sank, with the loss of hundreds.

Lots of different opinions on migration, obviously, but there's something uncomfortable about the difference in the approach here and how we value human life.

The Guardian view on danger at sea: looking out for all those in peril | Editorial

Editorial: The contrast between the frantic hunt for a missing submersible and the failure to save migrants drowning in the Mediterranean is illuminating
www.theguardian.com
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Totally agree with this although I'm not really happy with myself for being not only less sympathetic, but also slightly pleased at the thought of billionaires wasting £250k on a trip to see the wreckage and not making it back. They too are someone's loved ones, I'm simply a heartless tosser
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,585
rob9872 said:
Totally agree with this although I'm not really happy with myself for being not only less sympathetic, but also slightly pleased at the thought of billionaires wasting £250k on a trip to see the wreckage and not making it back. They too are someone's loved ones, I'm simply a heartless tosser
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Play stupid games. No different to poshos who want to climb Everest or whatever for me.
 
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rob9872

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,586
shmmeee said:
Play stupid games. No different to poshos who want to climb Everest or whatever for me.
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I cant be doing with anyone going climbing in difficult terrain or out on the water when they're told not to.

It often ends up with either RNLI or search and rescue operations putting their own lives in danger and / or a drain on the air ambulance. I'm happy with them being adrenalin junkies if they choose to, on the understanding they accept that of they get into difficulty nobody is coming for them.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,587
shmmeee said:
Play stupid games. No different to poshos who want to climb Everest or whatever for me.
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I get Everest though. Would never have even thought about doing it myself but I can see why people want to do it. Not just posh people either, some very average joes spend years saving to do it. That submarine though, no thanks. You wouldn’t get me in it if you offered me £250k to do it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,588
skybluetony176 said:
I get Everest though. Would never have even thought about doing it myself but I can see why people want to do it. Not just posh people either, some very average joes spend years saving to do it. That submarine though, no thanks. You wouldn’t get me in it if you offered me £250k to do it.
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I mean more those who just want to say they’ve done it and pay some Sherpa to do most of the work and don’t respect the situation and end up injured or whatever. Of course actual Mountaineers or whatever I’ve no issue with. More those that treat it like a Madame Tussaud’s attraction.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,589
He said it out loud


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duffer

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #29,590
fernandopartridge said:
He said it out loud


Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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I'm genuinely not trolling here, but @rob9872 should be more than happy. You might as well vote Labour and join the collective mate, you certainly couldn't be accused of abandoning your values!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,591
fernandopartridge said:
He said it out loud


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'If you don't vote for keir you're a tory enabler' - oh fuck off.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,592
clint van damme said:
'If you don't vote for keir you're a tory enabler' - oh fuck off.
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I mean you are. We have a two party system pretty much. It’s shit but that’s what it is. And if you do want radical change it’s much more likely to happen with a stinking majority than a slim one.
 
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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,593
shmmeee said:
And if you do want radical change it’s much more likely to happen with a stinking majority than a slim one.
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Didn't with Blair tbf.

(And no I'm not arguing that he wasn't better than the Tories, because he was!)
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,594
shmmeee said:
I mean you are. We have a two party system pretty much. It’s shit but that’s what it is. And if you do want radical change it’s much more likely to happen with a stinking majority than a slim one.
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I'd rather take a yoga mat shaped pen to the polling booth and give my vote to Ed.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,595
shmmeee said:
I mean you are. We have a two party system pretty much. It’s shit but that’s what it is. And if you do want radical change it’s much more likely to happen with a stinking majority than a slim one.
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Yes, a massive majority based on a policy of austerity is going to lead to radical change.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,596
Deleted member 5849 said:
Didn't with Blair tbf.

(And no I'm not arguing that he wasn't better than the Tories, because he was!)
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It did! Just not the radical change we wanted
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,597
fernandopartridge said:
Yes, a massive majority based on a policy of austerity is going to lead to radical change.
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Do you think Labour are more or less likely to tack right in a hung Parliament/slim majority?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,598
clint van damme said:
I'd rather take a yoga mat shaped pen to the polling booth and give my vote to Ed.
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Davey?

I mean it’s a choice.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,599
Frankly the who is going to vote for who and why argument is boring now. Labour are barring a miracle going to win quite comfortably next year.

What concerns me is the fact that the government and BoE are purposefully pushing the economy in to recession (by removing disposable income from the economy, that's what rate hikes are designed to do) and they are doing it without any plan or support to help people.

It's absolute madness
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,600
shmmeee said:
Do you think Labour are more or less likely to tack right in a hung Parliament/slim majority?
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Labour will win seats in Scotland - over 20 - so it would be a minor miracle if they didn’t have a fairly high majority. A lot of Johnson’s majority were in seats where they’d never vote again for conservatives.

I can’t see how it’s possible they won’t have at least 50 seat majority
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,601
David O'Day said:
Frankly the who is going to vote for who and why argument is boring now. Labour are barring a miracle going to win quite comfortably next year.

What concerns we if the fact that the government and BoE are purposefully pushing the economy in to recession (by removing disposable income from the economy, that's what rate hikes are designed to do) and they are doing it without any plan or support to help people.

It's absolute madness
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This is all the orthodoxy that the former BoE understander of macroeconomics shadow chancellor is trained in. She has never once disputed that the rates should go up just that the government should mitigate against it.

Is it time to remove the 'independence' and put the government of the day back in control and make them fully accountable given how much interest rates affect people?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,602
shmmeee said:
Do you think Labour are more or less likely to tack right in a hung Parliament/slim majority?
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Why should I vote for them?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,603
fernandopartridge said:
This is all the orthodoxy that the former BoE understander of macroeconomics shadow chancellor is trained in. She has never once disputed that the rates should go up just that the government should mitigate against it.

Is it time to remove the 'independence' and put the government of the day back in control and make them fully accountable given how much interest rates affect people?
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Yes it is it’s bizarre it was a labour government that made the change
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,604
fernandopartridge said:
Why should I vote for them?
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Because your choice is them, the Tories or not voting. And the other two are ridiculous options.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,605
shmmeee said:
Because your choice is them, the Tories or not voting. And the other two are ridiculous options.
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There are more parties I’m sure in his constituency
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,606
Grendel said:
Labour will win seats in Scotland - over 20 - so it would be a minor miracle if they didn’t have a fairly high majority. A lot of Johnson’s majority were in seats where they’d never vote again for conservatives.

I can’t see how it’s possible they won’t have at least 50 seat majority
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Agreed. I previously thought Labour in a hung Parliament but with SNP unravelling and unlikely to be much improvement in economy/personal living standards in next 12months, I’d now be shocked if it wasn’t a Labour majority
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,607
fernandopartridge said:
Is it time to remove the 'independence' and put the government of the day back in control and make them fully accountable given how much interest rates affect people?
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Would be disastrous in terms of market credibility and would mean the path of monetary policy becomes inherently less predictable - bad idea imo.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,608
SBT said:
Would be disastrous in terms of market credibility and would mean the path of monetary policy becomes inherently less predictable - bad idea imo.
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Yeah, would leave rate setting independent but not sure Bailey should still be in place. Shambles
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,609
Grendel said:
Labour will win seats in Scotland - over 20 - so it would be a minor miracle if they didn’t have a fairly high majority. A lot of Johnson’s majority were in seats where they’d never vote again for conservatives.

I can’t see how it’s possible they won’t have at least 50 seat majority
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So you agree everyone should vote Labour. Good stuff.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 22, 2023
  • #29,610
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, would leave rate setting independent but not sure Bailey should still be in place. Shambles
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Definitely needs reform but not sure losing independence is it.
 
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