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One that we'll have to disagree on.
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One that we'll have to disagree on.
Skybluefaz
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What cake? Suspension is a standard part of investigation. You've gone from sharing racist Facebook groups to embracing cancel culture and being woke. Hell of a turnaround.
SBAndy
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Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’
Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'
TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…www.thesun.co.uk
Do you spend your entire life scouring The Sun to find links to post on here?
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I do wonder how it works in practice. Surely you have a finite amount of booking slots, and have the right to book who you want?!?
shmmeee
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It’s more people who are booked then cancelled rather than people being booked at all.
The problem is a workplace rights issue. Lecturers have a right to work without harassment and all workers have a right to an employer who doesn’t sack them for a mild Twitter post.
If the government really wanted to stop cancel culture they’d bring forward a workers rights bill that prevented sacking for such trivial offences and strengthened worker action when they’re being bullied/harassed at work.
Yet funnily enough they’ve not done that, instead deciding to have a pointless bill that will achieve nothing but to signal to others that they care about this virtue.
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But that's just it, you don't book in the first place, then!
The cancellations have been done thanks to popular protest, and I don't agree with that as such - go along and get a free heckle - but all that'll happen is there'll be no risk taken in who they book.
It'll be even more lefty!
I agree with the rest btw.
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shmmeee
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That’s their problem. They like employer freedom but not that employer freedom, they want to shut down speech they don’t like but don’t like others doing the same. They’re an essentially illiberal government trying a free speech grift, but the fundamentally can’t deliver as they don’t believe in free speech. FFS they get triggered whenever the opposition opposes them. Bunch of thin skinned snowflakes that they are.
Ian1779
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Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’
Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'
TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…
I wonder if you had this much outrage at Windrush.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The acid test for me is would you permit someone to burn the Union flag
chiefdave
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Are these things cancelled because the booker has had some moral epiphany or because they are worried about running the event safely? Seems unworkable, venue says we can't put this event on and guarantee everyone's safety and security - what happens then?
shmmeee
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Safety is always the reason given.
If you ask me any student involved in making an event unsafe should be expelled and trespassers on campus should be prosecuted. That would stop it pretty quickly.
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Seems like a nice piece of work!!
Labour suspends union boss Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be ‘deported instead of refugees’
Labour suspends Howard Beckett after he says Priti Patel should be 'deported'
TOP trade union boss Howard Beckett today denied he was a racist and refused to quit the race to become the next Unite boss – after saying Priti Patel should be deported. He has been suspende…
That’s shocking. Imagine the outrage on here if it was a Tory.
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True, and another clumsy statement - though the actual hurt delivered is nothing like the regime of workplace bullying that Patel has presided over and engaged in.
SkyBlueDom26
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The silent Majority on the forum
shmmeee
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Have you ever not missed the point, by accident? I mean law of averages suggests it should happen now and again.
David O'Day
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ffs you talk utter shit
Marty
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Brighton Sky Blue
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They aren’t ever silent to be honest
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Point of order, but many universities don't have a campus, they have buildings in public spaces - so you'd struggle to stop randomers congregating there.
Anyway, as you were
I never understand the MPs who only limit responses to people following them etc. I mean, the whole point of twitter is dialogue surely and of course you'll get a fair few morons calling you a wanker, and a fair number blowing smoke up your arse but... you can filter them / hide them if you must, but allow people to respond to whatever you put up, as how else can people feed bck to you?!?
And that includes negative feedback too.
If only you were
SkyBlueDom26
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David O'Day
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Says the bloke who thinks Voter ID cards are necessary... because of 6 cases of voter fraud out of 30 odd million votes
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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FPTP is fine, as long as it isn't the only way we have democratically elected parliament. We need a PR style upper house as well to oversee this rather than a heriditary system or one whereby the party in govt can elect new people to the upper chamber to gain control.
For me the benefit of FPTP is not necessarily strong govt but the election of a representative of a particular area in a constituency. Other systems can result in people not get the person/party most people actually want.
IMO on the larger scale it's our version of the electoral college, leading to skewed overall results. Plus a party that has control for a significant of time can also abuse their power. Gerry-mandering of boundaries to maximise your elected officials rather than represent the voters. Just this week in the Queen's Speech we've seen quite a few things that would consolidate power for the ruling party - voter ID for a non-existent problem that would only disenfranchise those less likely to vote for them. PM deciding when to hold an election so can pick and choose a time when they seem popular (like a footballer looking for a new contract in the middle of a purple patch). There were also parts about adding in further restrictions for protests and judicial reform. Plus in recent years the threat over the BBC funding that has resulted in far less scrutiny and criticism of the decisions or actions of the Tories plus the installation of a DG who is very much a follower of Tory ideals.
So basically, more power to govt, harder to vote for those who are less likely to vote for them, less opportunity to report or protest their actions or to take them to court. This is what 'strong governance' gets you in the end - autocracy and a shift towards extremes.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Government tells English schools not to use anti-capitalist material for teaching
Critics describe the guidance as "sinister", while a minister says it allows for a "curriculum that reflects diversity of views".
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Isn't that how cancel culture works though? You start with protesting these speakers until such point as venues don't even bother to book them because of the hassle they'll get around it. Thus they are eventually silenced, or 'cancelled'.
What is a 'popular protest'? Does a few hundred, or even thousand, people screaming very loudly about something make them 'popular'? Or just noisy?
For me I'd rather let anyone say what they want and if you disagree go along and tear their argument apart. Make them look silly. Plus anyone who is taken in by such extremist views will be out in the open where you can keep an eye on them, rather than skulking around in the shadows saying 'they won't let me speak because I tell it like it is' without proper scrutiny. Give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves with it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Someone ought to tell the government.
So you think preventing millions of people voting is democratic?
Of course you do. Why am I not surprised.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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SkyBlueDom26
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Course you don’t agree with voter ID. It would guarantee a Tory government for the next 25 years
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Will be for the next 100 years hopefully
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Will be for the next 100 years hopefully
SkyBlueDom26
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Hopefully for the next 100 years