Do you want to discuss boring politics? (217 Viewers)

fernandopartridge · Mar 5, 2024

Listened to an after dinner speech from Robert Winston today. He talked passionately about the House of Lords winning 5 votes against the government on the Rwanda bill last night

I was quite convinced by what he said about the HoL, especially his point that it wasn't a bad thing per sē but that it needed less lawyers and politicians but more experts.

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OffenhamSkyBlue · Mar 5, 2024

The Lords, when populated with experts and all-round good eggs like him, is no bad thing - the appearance of hereditary peers IS!

fernandopartridge · Mar 5, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
The Lords, when populated with experts and all-round good eggs like him, is no bad thing - the appearance of hereditary peers IS!

He mentioned that, the whim of an individual politician

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shmmeee · Mar 5, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
The Lords, when populated with experts and all-round good eggs like him, is no bad thing - the appearance of hereditary peers IS!

Yeah I’d scrap all of that, and most of the political appointments.

Sick Boy · Mar 6, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
Pretty disgusting this, wonder why people appear to have less and less respect for the police

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Fox hunters really are vile privileged cunts.

ovduk78 · Mar 6, 2024

shmmeee said:
Its the same concept! This is like acting all confused at what rizz is (am aware I’m probably lighting more touch paper here).

I've never heard of that either. Is it possible to provide a glossary of all these new words & acronyms for all of us old bastards?

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2024

ovduk78 said:
I've never heard of that either. Is it possible to provide a glossary of all these new words & acronyms for all of us old bastards?

literally just short for charisma.

skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2024

They just can’t help themselves. Ignore the headline she’s not paying jack shit, the taxpayer is picking up the bill of their culture war nonsense

Michelle Donelan told to pay damages to academic over Hamas claim - BBC News

Science Secretary Michelle Donelan had claimed a university professor sympathised with Hamas.

www.bbc.co.uk

fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2024

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fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
They just can’t help themselves. Ignore the headline she’s not paying jack shit, the taxpayer is picking up the bill of their culture war nonsense

Michelle Donelan told to pay damages to academic over Hamas claim - BBC News

Science Secretary Michelle Donelan had claimed a university professor sympathised with Hamas.

www.bbc.co.uk

The tax payer does not pay for anything

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OffenhamSkyBlue · Mar 6, 2024

This comment could easily belong in the "Things that annoy you" thread, but as it has a political theme, i will keep it away from there:-

The undermining of Parliamentary process by "leaks" of proposals in the Budget does my fuckin' head in! All of it should be embargoed until the Chancellor has presented it to the HoC. Or maybe let the lazy bastard journos do some actual journalistic work and report on what has actually happened.
I suspect i am most annoyed by "Budget Day" of old turning into something like "Guy Fawkes Fortnight" in the media.

stay_up_skyblues · Mar 6, 2024

Jeremy Hunt does a better Arnold Rimmer than Chris Barrie.

clint van damme · Mar 6, 2024

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This comment could easily belong in the "Things that annoy you" thread, but as it has a political theme, i will keep it away from there:-

The undermining of Parliamentary process by "leaks" of proposals in the Budget does my fuckin' head in! All of it should be embargoed until the Chancellor has presented it to the HoC. Or maybe let the lazy bastard journos do some actual journalistic work and report on what has actually happened.
I suspect i am most annoyed by "Budget Day" of old turning into something like "Guy Fawkes Fortnight" in the media.

Take it from a former banker: the budget is for ordinary people. The mega-rich look on and laugh | Gary Stevenson

Whatever Jeremy Hunt says, traders know the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. And they’re paid millions to bet on it, says the author Gary Stevenson

www.theguardian.com

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

Got to help all the traders, just remember the threshold is still frozen for another 3-4 years, vote them out!

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

And if they steal it away riot!

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

What's done for everyone then, when will that other tax get rolling, mortgage interest as if by miracle?

skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2024

If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.

Oh God my daughter is due at the end of the year! Well done BTW.

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.

How much should it have increased to fag packet maths ?

David O'Day · Mar 6, 2024

It's not even a good budget

The frozen tax thresholds still make most people worse off.

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

How many freedoms have been lost and how many are coming down the line?

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
It's not even a good budget

The frozen tax thresholds still make most people worse off.

But compound no, so inclusive of last year or longer?

skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2024

wingy said:
How much should it have increased to fag packet maths ?

My mortgage?

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
My mortgage?

No not really Dave'provided the tweet.

David O'Day · Mar 6, 2024

wingy said:
But compound no, so inclusive of last year or longer?

As of this budget.

Most people still lose more money than the cut in NI gives them back.

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
As of this budget.

Most people still lose more money than the cut in NI gives them back.

Yeah,,but last the loss is existing for two years not just the one ahead plus the one previous?

skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2024

wingy said:
Oh God my daughter is due at the end of the year! Well done BTW.

She’ll probably be in for a shock but mercifully mortgage rates are coming down marginally so it would have been a lot worse had she’d been needing to get a new deal last year.

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

They need to get arse into gear get a cut announced now and at least another two or three!

David O'Day · Mar 6, 2024

wingy said:
Yeah,,but last the loss is existing for two years not just the one ahead plus the one previous?

It exists until the thresholds change

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
It exists until the thresholds change

Please just quantify how much is lost over that period so we have a record of their failure?

David O'Day · Mar 6, 2024

wingy said:
Please just quantify how much is lost over that period so we have a record of their failure?

I can't give you figures as I don't have any information on when the tax thresholds may be raised and if they are how much they will be raised by.

SBT · Mar 6, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
The tax payer does not pay for anything

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Regardless of your personal crusade on this topic, I think it’s only appropriate for the costs of defaming someone to be picked up by the person doing the defaming, rather than their employer!

wingy · Mar 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
I can't give you figures as I don't have any information on when the tax thresholds may be raised and if they are how much they will be raised by.

We have two years up to now.
How much have the previous years stripped off the top line?

fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.

How could you think it sounds good in isolation? He's announced yet more departmental cuts. Levelling Up, Housing and Communities cut by 30% year on year. Transport by nearly 40% etc. Dreadful.

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skybluetony176 · Mar 6, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
How could you think it sounds good in isolation? He's announced yet more departmental cuts. Levelling Up, Housing and Communities cut by 30% year on year. Transport by nearly 40% etc. Dreadful.

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I was specifically talking about how Hunt delivered it in parliament. Not the reality of the budget. Hence in isolation.

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