Do you want to discuss boring politics? (92 Viewers)
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duffer
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If you think that's bad, don't turn over and watch Rachel Reeves on Peston.
Tax going up on the lowest paid in this budget (because tax thresholds remain frozen) what will Labour do about that? Answer, vote it through unopposed.
Proposed Capital Gains Tax cut, benefitting primarily people and landlords with two homes... Labour will likely wave that through too.
Labour's solution to improve public services whilst cutting taxes (and public investment)?
Economic growth. No suggestion where that can come from though. Magical thinking at it's very finest.
There isn't a fag paper between Labour and the Tories on the economy, so expecting any change in the state of the country after the election is a fool's game.
To paraphrase Kinnock, try not to fall ill or get old, or be young and poor - because you're on your own no matter who gets in next. Grim.
clint van damme
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How the fuck can a budget make people worse off and cut public services?
shmmeee
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They’ve given up mate. Just about reducing Labours budget at this point and forcing them to raise taxes so they can go “see they raised taxes”. Meanwhile people go to the wall.
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Where have you been these last 20+ years
skybluetony176
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Looks like the government will raise twice as much as they’re giving us back in the NI cut simply by freezing the tax thresholds.
clint van damme
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I feel like crying
shmmeee
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You aren’t going to get Labour to say they want to raise taxes or cut spending before an election. You realise this is all political tricks designed to do just that don’t you?
duffer
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Reeves is odious. Channels all of the worst elements of Thatcherism, in speech, dress, and seemingly and more significantly, beliefs.
Labour would do well to keep her out of the limelight, or it will become obvious what the party has turned into.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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This woman is more of a tory than many tories.
Fuck the tories & fuck labour too. Cunts the lot of 'em.
shmmeee
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She is quite literally their biggest electoral asset. I’m not sure people grasp quite how bad Labour financial reputation among the average voter is.
duffer
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It's a bit like the Gaza ceasefire thing mate, from where I sit anyway.
It might be political trickery, but there's no denying it exposes their true position.
clint van damme
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It's a shit trick. After that bag of shit yesterday, which clearly demonstrates the tories are finished, I'm sure they could have given the public something a bit more inspirational.
I'm not expecting them to announce they're legalising cannabis to raise taxes or anything like that but fuck me, its dreadful.
clint van damme
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In which case if she doesn't stick to the 'fiscal rules' she keeps banging on about its going to be a short lived tenure for her and Starmer.
Unless getting people off the sick will drive the sort of growth needed to reverse the last 14 years but I think we all know the answer to that.
shmmeee
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Inspirational = risky. Inspirational to you is costly or stupid to someone else. Rightly or wrongly they’re in total safety mode. No spending commitments they can be hung on no arguing no falling into Tory traps.
The time to energise the base has passed. What will lose it for them isn’t being too boring it’s giving the old attach lines a chance to reappear.
You honestly can’t judge until we get a manifesto and likely not until govt if they keep the safety up (manifestos are generally just promises you might be done for later so it’s smart to keep them small).
shmmeee
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No one is going to stick to fiscal rules. It’s political theatre on both sides. Sticking to them means nothing but a soundbite to stop people asking about “where’s the money coming from” endlessly for every policy announcement (which Labour have to do but the Tories don’t).
This is a tale as old as time and what Labour need to do to get elected in this country: promise not to raise taxes, promise not to spend money, promise not to allow benefit scrounging. Because that’s the median view of what Labour do. So you focus on the reasons people aren’t voting for you. And so far it’s looking like working at getting a record landslide victory.
duffer
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The average voter doesn't seem very happy with what the Tories are doing to the country and public services.
They don't seem too fussed about either tuppence off NI or a decrease in CGT.
It seems that in fact it's the cost of living and the running down of public services that matter. 2p off NI isn't going to help with the former and Labour have literally no plan on how to resolve the latter other than to stick to the Tory plan but magically promise more growth.
When the Labour get into power, which they will, and the average voter realises that Labour are simply offering more of the same, where do you think politics will go?
clint van damme
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The notion that Starmer and Co will get elected and then turn into even a nominally left wing government seems mental to me.
I think it's only something Daily mail readers
genuinely believe.
I can't see past a more competent, slightly less authoritarian version of what we already have.
fernandopartridge
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Why does she think the lack of growth is down to people being out of work?
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clint van damme
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They're obviously all entrepreneurs and industrialists who just need a little push.
fernandopartridge
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The public are too stupid to understand that austerity has failed on its own terms so we must promise more of it
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Budget 2024: Keir Starmer Just Walked Right Into the Tories’ Trap | Novara Media
With nothing new left to say, Jeremy Hunt used his last budget to set Labour up to fail, writes James Meadway.
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Get the ISA and back them!
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TomRad85
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Never read this thread anymore but saw your comment on the home page and it ended at "need at little pus" genuinely though you were saying they just need a little pussy.
Anyway, as you were.
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shmmeee
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I mean “tack centre then go left/right” has been the election strategy of every government in history but sure: mental idea.
clint van damme
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Inspirational stuff, you should be the new minister How's ya father
shmmeee
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Not going to get any pussy sat on the dole bunch of scrubs. Reeves going to start a “six inches, six figures” campaign.
Grendel
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The public are too stupid to understand that austerity has failed on its own terms so we must promise more of it
Budget 2024: Keir Starmer Just Walked Right Into the Tories’ Trap | Novara Media
With nothing new left to say, Jeremy Hunt used his last budget to set Labour up to fail, writes James Meadway.
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It will get Tony’s vote that’s for sure
clint van damme
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When was the last one elected after 14 years of fairly brutal austerity and punching yourself in the knackers by leaving a massive trading bloc?