Grendel
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Rochester 'white van man' from Thornberry tweet says he's 'not got a
Dan Ware’s house was the subject of Emily Thornberry’s tweet commenting on his white van and England flags
What compromises have the Tories had to make to get elected or while in government?
I mean, other than raising taxes and public spending to the extent that the very soul of the party is now up for sale?What compromises have the Tories had to make to get elected or while in government?
Governing requires compromise and that’s the biggest sin there is to some.
Rochester 'white van man' from Thornberry tweet says he's 'not got a
Dan Ware’s house was the subject of Emily Thornberry’s tweet commenting on his white van and England flagswww.independent.co.uk
There's compromise, and there's abandoning your core beliefs. Let's not mix them up, eh.
I mean, other than raising taxes and public spending to the extent that the very soul of the party is now up for sale?
Amazing lack of self awareness as per.
You're the last person who can use this as a stick to beat someone with.
Show me again where the Tory party have admitted to raising taxes?
What “core beliefs” do you think have been abandoned here?
Let's start with some of the pledges that Starmer signed up to when elected leader shall we?
They were broadly centre-left, is the party still committed to those, I must've missed it...
I don’t think it’s stupid but it’s not the most important thing
No, it is stupid
Which ones do you think he’s broken? Considering almost all are promises for when elected.
Stop reading the Telegraph man
Let's start with some of the pledges that Starmer signed up to when elected leader shall we?
They were broadly centre-left, is the party still committed to those, I must've missed it...
Changing the colour of the flag or her commentsNo, it is stupid
I think there's a list of Starmer's commitments when he ran for leader posted earlier. I'll bet good money that also earlier in this thread you've said it was ok that he's ditched them.
Electoral hygiene, you said. It's ok to drop everything he promised to champion earlier as long as he wins. But now you're telling us he's committed to them? Which is it?
Ooh look, here's a handy list, if you're struggling to remember them all. Since we're chucking out fun insults, stop drinking the Starmer kool-aid, man.
All Keir Starmer’s Labour U-turns in one place
POLITICO lists 27 (and counting) key walkbacks in Starmer’s spell as opposition leader.www.politico.eu
Ah, the laughing emoji. The one that says I can't answer the question so I'll just poke fun at it and hope no one notices.
Changing the colour of the flag or her comments
I must have missed that public expenditure and tax hike on the rich memo, could you resend it?I mean, other than raising taxes and public spending to the extent that the very soul of the party is now up for sale?
I must have missed that public expenditure and tax hike on the rich memo, could you resend it?
Think you’ve spent too much time on here my friend“Why won’t this party going for election promise tax hikes and massive spending!?!? It can only be because they’re secret Tories!” - A Very Serious Person
The leader of the Labour Party refused to openly support a single worker on strike over the last few years. Why? This is the party that was founded as the political arm of the union movement.For balance if you want to look at what Labour leaders have promised when they first got into power Corbyn at his first conference as leader put in print 10 pledges. Number 9 was “Action to Secure an Equal Society”. In which he said “We will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith”. And then he turned a blind eye to the point denial to antisemitism in his party rather than deal with it.
I suspect that if you looked at any leader of any political party, what they promised to get the job or at a GE to get into government and then look at what they actually delivered there isn’t going to be many ticks in boxes. If that’s your hill to die on where Starmer is concerned you’re probably just as well ignoring politics full stop, don’t vote, don’t read the news etc. because what Starmer has done is standard in politics.
Think you’ve spent too much time on here my friend
Your man Cameron delivered the referendum for you ToneFor balance if you want to look at what Labour leaders have promised when they first got into power Corbyn at his first conference as leader put in print 10 pledges. Number 9 was “Action to Secure an Equal Society”. In which he said “We will take action to tackle violence against women and girls, racism and discrimination on the basis of faith”. And then he turned a blind eye to the point denial to antisemitism in his party rather than deal with it.
I suspect that if you looked at any leader of any political party, what they promised to get the job or at a GE to get into government and then look at what they actually delivered there isn’t going to be many ticks in boxes. If that’s your hill to die on where Starmer is concerned you’re probably just as well ignoring politics full stop, don’t vote, don’t read the news etc. because what Starmer has done is standard in politics.
America, Russia ,Ireland to name but three!Your man Cameron delivered the referendum for you Tone
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The comment about taxes and spending didn’t start with me. My question was about the actual compromises the Tories have had to make in government or while electioneering. Seems to me they had to make some social policy ones while with the Lib Dems but since it’s only been them in charge they’ve gone more rogue with each reincarnation.I mean that’s not up for debate, but seriously man, can you see why parties going for election, especially ones where the number one voter concern about them is “they’ll spend all the money and raise my taxes” aren’t shouting about spending loads of money and raising taxes right now?
Could they get away with a bit of it? Probably, but strategically, in the part of the cycle where you’re looking at undecideds and soft Tories, why would you? When you can get free publicity from Owen Jones tantrums and lots of crusties publicly losing their shit at you. A better party political broadcast to middle England you couldn’t hope for.
It’s about the only thing he did deliver. So basically everything about his tenure was abject failure, he only kept one promise and that was abject failure. Presumably you voted leave to deliver Boris because let’s face it, that was the only guarantee of voting leave. Well that and ensuring Corbyn was locked out of No.10. Well done.Your man Cameron delivered the referendum for you Tone
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Your man Cameron delivered the referendum for you Tone
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It’s a piece of clothing. There is literally nothing to be upset about.Politicians don’t generally tend to dismiss things that people are very upset about as “stupid”, even if it is stupid.
It doesn't matter how someone voted before, it's if they recognise the choice before them now Which is l Labour warts and all!!And PVA was a Cameron babe
And PVA was a Cameron babe
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