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David O'Day

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Depends if the CPS puts the cases forward for prosecution .
Been going backward for some years .
Somebody changed some policy within the last decade .
Anyhow nothing to worry about as expressed this morning on TV. It's unlikely a jury will convict lol so it's cushty.

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.
 

shmmeee

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The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

Sentences for violent men are a joke. Still pissed off about the 4 year sentence the guy who killed my first girlfriend’s mum got.

Absolutely nothing in this bill to help women and the Tories trying to make it a political point are sick.
 

David O'Day

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So if you damage a statue of someone who orchestrated raping and pillaging you’ll get more than actually raping.

As someone said if you can convince a jury you thought it was a women dressed as a statue and not an actual statue you'll get less time
 

oakey

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It's time for all women to impersonate famous statues. I was going to suggest Lady Godiva but that may attract the wrong kind of Male attention!!
 

clint van damme

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The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

you don't even have to go as far as damaging a statue, ten years for 'causing serious annoyance'.

I don't care what end of the political spectrum you're from, this is worrying legislation.
 

chiefdave

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The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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jimmyhillsfanclub

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Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.
 

shmmeee

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Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.

So unbelievably stupid. Real chance to build us as a global leader wasted.
 

wingy

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We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. 🤷‍♂️ This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.
Well I've always wondered what is the benefit of living in an ivory tower if surrounded by deprivation and something as basic as a poorly maintained infrastructure etc.
Plenty of examples of.employers use of pension funds being misappropriated , Also their often scaled down pot in takeovers and rescues .
 

skybluetony176

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Bloody socialist being happy again
Still, we had Brexit day last year so the smell of sovereignty must have lifted our spirits. What’s that you say? Dropped 4 places? But but but... blue passports and bendy bananas are back and they made Big Ben chime in celebration.
 

clint van damme

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We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?
 

wingy

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We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?
Well it used to be when it was provided through LA's , something changed around 15yrs ago, probably campaign to end up where we are now earlier still.
 

wingy

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I see we're likely being taken to court over state aid for tax arrangements in Gibraltar .
Apparently historical cases involving 4 multinational companies where we haven't collected sufficiently /adequately.

Here's an old article from around 8 yrs ago, sort of illustrates through the prism of time and events the shift going on .
No Idea if it's exactly the same issue going on .
Noting France has always appeared to dispense state aid at s certain level .

 

chiefdave

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Well what do you do or think

Should be paid IMO. On call is a cop it for companies who want to provide a round the clock service, which you know they are charging for, but don't want to pay to properly staff it. Even worse when you're talking about staff on minimum wage.

I work in IT support and on-call has exploded in the last 10 or so years. Lost count of the number of times the 'nobody ever calls' excuse has been given for not paying people who are on-call even when you've got data clearly showing thats not true.

If companies want to offer a 24/365 service then employ, and pay, enough people to work a shift pattern that covers that. As far as I'm concerned if I'm not free to do what I want with my own time then I'm working and should be getting paid.
 

shmmeee

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So much recent “innovation” has just been around finding ways to screw workers over. Uber, Deliveroo, package companies, IT, warehousing, you name it and somewhere some poor bugger is paying for your next day delivery/cheap taxi/whatever through “self employment” or “on call” or “agency” or not paying travel time.

Needs cracking down on across the board.
 

Marty

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Four day working week gathering interest and momentum.

My place has been going on about it for the past year or so, same hours but over 4 days instead of 5. So far, they've taken away an unpaid lunch (half hour) and replaced it with a 20 minute paid break and allowing me to finish 30 minutes earlier.
 

chiefdave

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Four day working week gathering interest and momentum.
Got a couple of mates who are on 4 day weeks, one has been for over 10 years, the other more recent. Both say the same thing @Evo1883 mentioned on another thread, makes a huge difference as work no longer dominates your life. They also say their companies have seen increased productivity and employee retention since making the change.

They both live in other countries, one in Sweden, the other in Australia. Suspect it'll be a long time before we see many companies here bring something like that in. If my industry is anything to go by we're going in the opposite direction and expecting people to work ever increasing hours to cover the work of people who have been made redundant. When I started it was strictly 35 hours a week, now its 50 plus hours a week.
 

chiefdave

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not paying travel time
I had that one. Was working for a company whose client base was supposed to be entirely in Hampshire. They took on a client in London and expected me to travel there, with traffic it added 6 hours or more a day. Of course the travel time wasn't paid as "our quote wouldn't be competitive if we paid travel time". Don't quote then!

Months of doing that 3 - 5 times a week was not fun.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Got some people in the City making complaints that they're having to work 95 hour weeks. Want to have that maximised to 80, which is still a ridiculous number but those in the industry are fighting it.

That's what happens when you get people utterly obsessed with money in charge. Couldn't give a fuck about the toll it takes on people mentally and physically - the £££ makes it all worthwhile.
 

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