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[SG21]

We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.

 

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[Philosoraptor]

We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.

Must not forget to include Labour with the Tories with why a good proportion, maybe the majority of Scotland want out.

These are some of the great people in local Government.

At least they had the honesty to show they are closer to the tories than the SNP.

It does lead to the question of what separates the Labour from the Tories in Coventry, and why turnout is so low.

Aberdeen council Labour group to remain suspended until election

Nine Aberdeen City councillors were suspended from the party in 2017 after forming a coalition with the Conservatives.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.

A wise man once said that paying taxes justifies the money you earn.

 

[shmmeee]

Just to inject a bit of fact into the discussion.

Wealth composition by wealth decile. Poorest 10% not shown as they have negative wealth (they’re in debt)



Seems fairly obvious that property wealth is the biggest issue with the bottom 30% having virtually no property wealth compared to the middle wealth bracket. Lots of people with unearned property wealth that needs taxing.

Pensions the other big one, roughly 40% across the middle bands, but obviously 40% of not much is less than 40% of a lot.

The idea that thresholds and graduated taxation doesn’t exist so if a few working class people hold the same asset as some rich people we can’t tax the rich in case it hurts the poor is one of the most ludicrous arguments I’ve ever heard. By that logic we shouldn’t have Income Tax either because poor people earn money too.

However if your aim is to tax the super rich, as it should be, it’s got to be business wealth you tax.

 

[SG21]

Problem is, if they do target it, they find a way round it. Look at the budget the other day. They're going to charge more cooperation tax...in a few years time. Just gives coops time to move numbers around.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Brilliant so let’s reduce the value of pensions - many of whom are going to the working classes

If you read later on I mention the point of the stock market and potential effects, including on pensions. Also worth noting any effects would be due to investors trying to avoid the 'corp dividend tax' and I mention putting a similar thing into things like interest, venture capital etc to reduce the risk of a big debt:equity shift.

As I said initially, this isn't an ADDITIONAL tax, it's a REPLACEMENT for the current system. It's not aimed at taking more from companies in tax, just considering a way that works better for everyone. This is a mutually beneficial system, not adversarial like the current one.

 

[David O'Day]

Has the culture war got so stupid that soon you will possible get twice as long for damaging a statue than rape?

 

[wingy]

Has the culture war got so stupid that soon you will possible get twice as long for damaging a statue than rape?

Depends if the CPS puts the cases forward for prosecution .
Been going backward for some years .
Somebody changed some policy within the last decade .
Anyhow nothing to worry about as expressed this morning on TV. It's unlikely a jury will convict lol so it's cushty.

 

[David O'Day]

Depends if the CPS puts the cases forward for prosecution .
Been going backward for some years .
Somebody changed some policy within the last decade .
Anyhow nothing to worry about as expressed this morning on TV. It's unlikely a jury will convict lol so it's cushty.

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

 

[wingy]

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

Depends if you're noisy when holding a rally protest whatever.

 

[shmmeee]

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

Sentences for violent men are a joke. Still pissed off about the 4 year sentence the guy who killed my first girlfriend’s mum got.

Absolutely nothing in this bill to help women and the Tories trying to make it a political point are sick.

 

[chiefdave]

Looks like Johnson is in Cov today campaigning with Andy Street. Not sure that'll help Street get re-elected.

 

[David O'Day]

He's a Pool Meadow rehashing last years big "bus" annoucement that never happened.

 

[skybluetony176]

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

So if you damage a statue of someone who orchestrated raping and pillaging you’ll get more than actually raping.

 

[David O'Day]

So if you damage a statue of someone who orchestrated raping and pillaging you’ll get more than actually raping.

As someone said if you can convince a jury you thought it was a women dressed as a statue and not an actual statue you'll get less time

 

[oakey]

It's time for all women to impersonate famous statues. I was going to suggest Lady Godiva but that may attract the wrong kind of Male attention!!

 

[clint van damme]

The new police bill sets up 10 year sentences for damaging statues but you can get 5 years for a rape conviction.

No wonder women are pissed off.

you don't even have to go as far as damaging a statue, ten years for 'causing serious annoyance'.

I don't care what end of the political spectrum you're from, this is worrying legislation.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

ten years for 'causing serious annoyance'.

Half of this board set to be locked up, then.

 

[clint van damme]

Half of this board set to be locked up, then.

it is within the environment of a protest. Not in your front room, red faced, drunk and smashing away furiously on your keyboard. Legislation to follow on that one.

 

[shmmeee]

it is within the environment of a protest. Not in your front room, red faced, drunk and smashing away furiously on your keyboard. Legislation to follow on that one.

Depends. If your bashing so loudly the neighbours are annoyed it’s illegal.

 

[chiefdave]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

 

[Ian1779]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Only 4 flags... the red wall focus groups won’t be happy.

 

[wingy]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Something for Allegra if she ever gets started.
Come on Carrie.
When would the optics be best for placing the eventual nuptials?

 

[David O'Day]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Plenty of blue screen potential though

 

[David O'Day]

Meanwhile the Met continue their PR masterclass

PC guarding site where Sarah's body was found 'sent vile WhatsApp about death'

A PC has been taken off front-line duties after 'sending a WhatsApp about Sarah Everard's death' while guarding the site where her body was found.

www.kentonline.co.uk

 

[skybluetony176]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Being suggested that it didn’t go out to competitive tender either.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The £2.6m Downing Street media briefing room. You can certainly see where all the money has gone. And they got the Russians, Okno-TV, in to install the tech.

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Shouldn't even be 5% of that.

Bunch of cunts who I really don't want to see get re-elected. Who else is there though?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Backlash grows against cut to electric car grants

A government decision to reduce subsidies is criticised by the motor industry and UK businesses.

www.bbc.co.uk

Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.

 

[shmmeee]

Backlash grows against cut to electric car grants

A government decision to reduce subsidies is criticised by the motor industry and UK businesses.

www.bbc.co.uk

Dumber & Dumber. Same short-sighted horseshit as with the reduction of the FITs for solar panels a few years back which basically took a young, innovative green British industry & cut its potential growth off at the knees.

Thick as pig shit.

So unbelievably stupid. Real chance to build us as a global leader wasted.

 

[wingy]

We really need to stop the narrative that paying tax is a bad thing and you're clever if you can avoid it; you're not, you're an ass if you do. People want good schools, healthcare, policing, housing, transport etc, but won't pay for it. This and awful political choices by the tory party are why England is in decline. It's no surprise Scotland want out. wouldn't be surprised if Wales followed afterwards for the way they're treated either.

Also, never trust any gov with your pension. Never! If there's a giant pot of money around, they'll find a way to get in it.

Well I've always wondered what is the benefit of living in an ivory tower if surrounded by deprivation and something as basic as a poorly maintained infrastructure etc.
Plenty of examples of.employers use of pension funds being misappropriated , Also their often scaled down pot in takeovers and rescues .

 

[skybluetony176]

Bloody socialist being happy again

Finland ranked happiest country in the world - again

Denmark is in second place, followed by Switzerland and Iceland in the World Happiness Report.

www.bbc.co.uk

Still, we had Brexit day last year so the smell of sovereignty must have lifted our spirits. What’s that you say? Dropped 4 places? But but but... blue passports and bendy bananas are back and they made Big Ben chime in celebration.

 

[wingy]

Well what do you do or think

Carers who sleep overnight at work in case they are needed not entitled to minimum wage for whole shift - Supreme Court rules

Judges dismiss appeals from two care workers - while care organisations say they've avoided a "catastrophic financial outcome".

news.sky.com

 

[clint van damme]

Well what do you do or think

Carers who sleep overnight at work in case they are needed not entitled to minimum wage for whole shift - Supreme Court rules

Judges dismiss appeals from two care workers - while care organisations say they've avoided a "catastrophic financial outcome".

news.sky.com

If you have to stay in your place of work and essentially be expected to respond to any issues that arise you should be paid in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?

 

[wingy]

We do need to find a way of compensating care workers more fairly, and treating it as a profession. Maybe bumping National Insurance up?

Well it used to be when it was provided through LA's , something changed around 15yrs ago, probably campaign to end up where we are now earlier still.