Do you want to discuss boring politics? (24 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

I think I'm just going to vote Green for a while.

I don't particularly like them either but if they get a bump it might focus some minds in the main parties that it's actually important.

 

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[Ian1779]

Arent they the same fiscal rules that McDonnell had (borrow for capital, tax for ongoing costs)?

Nick Robinson was still giving it the old “where will you get the money from?” Stuff to her this morning so not sure it’ll make much difference in messaging either.

TBH I’m pretty much done with the party at this point. Going back to my approach 2005-2015 of barely voting and sniping from the sidelines I think.

Will you keep your membership going? I still have mine but to be honest given the changes agreed it sounds like there probably won’t be much chance of a candidate standing on a platform that will resonate anymore.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I think I'm just going to vote Green for a while.

I don't particularly like them either but if they get a bump it might focus some minds in the main parties that it's actually important.

Thats basically what I've been doing since the 90s.....but I've given up on them now too....

Until the ballot provides a box for "none of the above" and it gets counted, I'll probably no longer bother or just vote for the loonies.....

 

[Liquid Gold]

Thats basically what I've been doing since the 90s.....but I've given up on them now too....

Until the ballot provides a box for "none of the above" and it gets counted, I'll probably no longer bother or just vote for the loonies.....

I'd be very much behind compulsory voting with a none of the above option

 

[shmmeee]

Will you keep your membership going? I still have mine but to be honest given the changes agreed it sounds like there probably won’t be much chance of a candidate standing on a platform that will resonate anymore. ☹

I might try and cancel again. Last two times it hasn’t stuck. Harder to leave than the Trust that place. Just very disillusioned even with Starmer on his own terms. I actually think a swing to the centre is what’s needed electorally but he’s incapable of that. Just ends up pissing everyone off.

That said he’s now ahead of Johnson for best PM so WTF do I know.

 

[shmmeee]

I think I'm just going to vote Green for a while.

I don't particularly like them either but if they get a bump it might focus some minds in the main parties that it's actually important.

I can’t vote Green. Them and the LDs have gone full bat shit. If I’m voting left Labour is still the best of a bad bunch, but JFC what a bunch.

 

[Evo1883]

Who'd vote for these chumps? Genuinely not a chance I'll vote for new Labour mk II



We've just been in an economic shock event equivalent to WW2 with rising poverty and reducing living standards, broken energy markets, public services struggling after years of obliteration and this drivel is all they can come up with.

Sadly , whilst people won't vote for these chumps , then what chance do we have of the tories losing an election ?

As stated earlier , they are still waffling about trans rights etc .. really hard hitting policies that effect almost fucking nobody

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sadly , whilst people won't vote for these chumps , then what chance do we have of the tories losing an election ?

All the way through Blair's government I'd have called myself left, radical compared to that impersonation. Since then, I've become more pragmatic - Blair's government wasn't what I wanted, but it was a damned site better than what came before and after. Therefore, if that's what it takes to get the current lot out... I'll deal with the devil.

 

[Evo1883]

All the way through Blair's government I'd have called myself left, radical compared to that impersonation. Since then, I've become more pragmatic - Blair's government wasn't what I wanted, but it was a damned site better than what came before and after. Therefore, if that's what it takes to get the current lot out... I'll deal with the devil.

A vote for anybody else is a vote for the tories sadly ..that's how I see it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I can’t vote Green. Them and the LDs have gone full bat shit. If I’m voting left Labour is still the best of a bad bunch, but JFC what a bunch.

Seems Labour are doing the same.

All the crap going on and the thing Starmer decides to take a stance on - whether only a woman can have a cervix.

I'm sure this isn't him. Like with Milliband he's being made to look an idiot by his advisors. I can't see anybody thinking that that's the best thing to be talking about when we've got massive problems with the pandemic, more pressure on low-income people with UC cut and NI rise, corruption in govt contracts, Brexit problems aplenty including most of what Johnson promised not happening.

The only people that would do would be people with clipboards of market research that tell them that the people on the street are more concerned about who does and doesn't have a fanny than a government shafting them from every direction.

 

[shmmeee]

Seems Labour are doing the same.

All the crap going on and the thing Starmer decides to take a stance on - whether only a woman can have a cervix.

I'm sure this isn't him. Like with Milliband he's being made to look an idiot by his advisors. I can't see anybody thinking that that's the best thing to be talking about when we've got massive problems with the pandemic, more pressure on low-income people with UC cut and NI rise, corruption in govt contracts, Brexit problems aplenty including most of what Johnson promised not happening.

The only people that would do would be people with clipboards of market research that tell them that the people on the street are more concerned about who does and doesn't have a fanny than a government shafting them from every direction.

People don’t care about who has a fanny, but while Labours “top media performers” keep responding like this the media will keep asking for the lols:

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

People don’t care about who has a fanny, but while Labours “top media performers” keep responding like this the media will keep asking for the lols:

Ironically they need to show some balls and just call it out for the nonsense it is.

Can't say I know anything about the procedure involved in gender reassignment surgery, but even then you wouldn't, biologically, have a cervix. At most you would have something that was a facsimile. A cerfakes.

 

[shmmeee]

Ironically they need to show some balls and just call it out for the nonsense it is.

Can't say I know anything about the procedure involved in gender reassignment surgery, but even then you wouldn't, biologically, have a cervix. At most you would have something that was a facsimile. A cerfakes.

Its not about that. It’s about some biological women not wanting to be identified as women but as trans men or non-binary. And also that trans women “are women” and don’t have a cervix.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Its not about that. It’s about some biological women not wanting to be identified as women but as trans men or non-binary. And also that trans women “are women” and don’t have a cervix.

It's utterly ridiculous. As I've said before this is an issue of 'gender' versus 'sex'. IMO the ingrained gender roles are the problem. People are saying they're a man/woman because they don't fit into what society has long suggested people of that sex should be.

Amazonians wouldn't recognise our idea of what a 'woman' should be. Neither would the Spartans. It's all just a load of nonsense and a man saying they're a 'woman' or vice-versa is just them adding to the problem by giving credence to the gender roles that society has assigned. They're not a woman, they're a man how doesn't match the bullshit norms expected of them by society.

So keep the male/female/man/woman stuff to biology and consign the gender expectations of those terms to the dustbin of history where they belong. And once you do that, only women can have a cervix.

 

[Ian1779]

Seems Labour are doing the same.

All the crap going on and the thing Starmer decides to take a stance on - whether only a woman can have a cervix.

I'm sure this isn't him. Like with Milliband he's being made to look an idiot by his advisors. I can't see anybody thinking that that's the best thing to be talking about when we've got massive problems with the pandemic, more pressure on low-income people with UC cut and NI rise, corruption in govt contracts, Brexit problems aplenty including most of what Johnson promised not happening.

The only people that would do would be people with clipboards of market research that tell them that the people on the street are more concerned about who does and doesn't have a fanny than a government shafting them from every direction.

Labour allow themselves to be caught up in this kind of debate because currently have no plans, ideas or vision at to what they stand for. Take the nationalisation of energy companies, it has majority support in this country, which includes across the political divide… and when their moment comes to sieze it they literally blow it…. The most open of open goals and Starmer bottles it. Again today, Reeves announces they will create a new government department focusing on not wasting money (that will undoubtedly waste shit loads of money in setting it up for no net gain) it’s truly fucking tragic. It’s like the shit bits from 15 years of the Apprentice all rolled into one.
Starmer’s single achievement of the conference is to give a bunch of shit MP’s even more control over who runs the cabal. And he thinks that’s what the electorate want.

 

[clint van damme]

People don’t care about who has a fanny, but while Labours “top media performers” keep responding like this the media will keep asking for the lols:

This is madness.
Reeves also said today that Labour would not restore freedom of movement, surely that is a far bigger talking point wherever you Stand on it?

 

[SomersetSB]

Shadow Cabinet member quits after Starmer 'tells him to oppose £15 minimum wage'
Shadow Cabinet member quits after Starmer 'tells him to oppose £15 minimum wage'

 

[shmmeee]

Shadow Cabinet member quits after Starmer 'tells him to oppose £15 minimum wage'
Shadow Cabinet member quits after Starmer 'tells him to oppose £15 minimum wage'

Why didn’t he quit under Corbyn then, who wanted £10 NMW?

Press Releases – The Labour Party

labour.org.uk

 

[SomersetSB]

Why didn’t he quit under Corbyn then, who wanted £10 NMW?

Press Releases – The Labour Party

labour.org.uk

They really are a long way away from government.

 

[Grendel]

Ouch

Labour Party conference: Andy McDonald quits shadow cabinet with attack on Sir Keir Starmer's leadership

Andy McDonald, who had been shadow secretary of state for employment rights and protections, says his position as a member of Sir Keir Starmer's top team had become "untenable".

www.google.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

They really are a long way away from government.

Im inclined to agree. But I don’t think it’s because they aren’t 50% more left wing than Corbyn.

 

[Evo1883]

People don’t care about who has a fanny, but while Labours “top media performers” keep responding like this the media will keep asking for the lols:

Why do Labour have to be the party of this nonsense? Absolutely shite

 

[skybluetony176]

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Labour allow themselves to be caught up in this kind of debate because currently have no plans, ideas or vision at to what they stand for. Take the nationalisation of energy companies, it has majority support in this country, which includes across the political divide… and when their moment comes to sieze it they literally blow it…. The most open of open goals and Starmer bottles it. Again today, Reeves announces they will create a new government department focusing on not wasting money (that will undoubtedly waste shit loads of money in setting it up for no net gain) it’s truly fucking tragic. It’s like the shit bits from 15 years of the Apprentice all rolled into one.
Starmer’s single achievement of the conference is to give a bunch of shit MP’s even more control over who runs the cabal. And he thinks that’s what the electorate want.

This non-money wasting govt dept - isn't that a main part of the OBR remit? So as far as I can see it'd pretty much just be a rebrand of something that already exists.

It's not that we need a new dept, it's that the people involved in it at the moment couldn't give a fuck.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This non-money wasting govt dept - isn't that a main part of the OBR remit? So as far as I can see it'd pretty much just be a rebrand of something that already exists.

It's not that we need a new dept, it's that the people involved in it at the moment couldn't give a fuck.

Cabinet Office does it at the level she's talking about. She's coming up for a solution to a specific problem that was essentially the Tories capitalising on the panic of the early part of the pandemic.

 

[shmmeee]

Cabinet Office does it at the level she's talking about. She's coming up for a solution to a specific problem that was essentially the Tories capitalising on the panic of the early part of the pandemic.

Its messaging that’s all. Voter concerns for Labour are always that they’ll waste money and listen to loonies. TBF the polling this week suggests it’s working even if I think they’re nobs.

 

[Skybluefaz]

The nutters have got a new favourite party.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The nutters have got a new favourite party.

Thought that was a scene out of Peaky blinders to start with

ps that’s the problem with politics these days, the vitriol spouted about evil, scum etc when in reality some politicians just arent very good. you can end up with some of population thinking parties like the above are the answer if they feel they aren’t being listened to (and they are the parties that people should be really worried about)

 

[oakey]

I live in a constituency with a Tory MP, 3 Tory councillors and a Tory mayor.
All are men over 50.
I am not a tory or a man
None of them have ever canvassed my views and only reply with generic emails to my concerns.
Contacting any of these is literally a waste of time.
I am not represented by them or listened to.

 

[Evo1883]

The nutters have got a new favourite party.

Can only be a positive.

Slightly less tory votes at the next election , we just need traditional labour voters to not have a brain fart and vote Labour again , and also current Labour voters not to go green or the monster raving loony party

 

[Skybluefaz]

Can only be a positive.

Slightly less tory votes at the next election , we just need traditional labour voters to not have a brain fart and vote Labour again , and also current Labour voters not to go green or the monster raving loony party

I think they'll be splitting the tory vote. Although I hope not too much. My faith in the public of late is being tested but these lot should be a goose step too far to the right for most.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think they'll be splitting the tory vote. Although I hope not too much. My faith in the public of late is being tested but these lot should be a goose step too far to the right for most.

It won't be much at all, if their vote is as much as their rallies.

Even among the far right, they're a bit of a joke really!

 

[David O'Day]

It won't be much at all, if their vote is as much as their rallies.

Even among the far right, they're a bit of a joke really!

50 votes so each time they stand isn't it?

 

[Evo1883]

Also in regards to the recent " only women have cervix " debate .

Labour being ridiculed all over social media over this .

Not arsed about what you believe in , I'm more concerned about why Labour keep this kind of politics at the front of its agenda , thus essentially putting people off them 'again' when they should be capitalising on a dreadful 18 months for the tories .

The tories are shit keir aren't they mate, here's your chance , destroy them

KIER : "Yea but men can have a cervix "

 

[Skybluefaz]

why Labour keep this kind of politics at the front of its agenda

Are they though? Or is it your Nick Ferrari's of the world constantly asking this sort of question to get outraged at something.