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Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
Tony answered it perfectly well.
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but you made the comment so what did you mean - why does Tony need to think for you - what majority will labour achieve in your own view not his?
 
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PVA

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Grendel said:
but you made the comment so what did you mean - why does Tony need to think for you - what majority will labour achieve in your own view not his?
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I don't need him to think for me but what he said perfectly sums up my thoughts so why bother repeating it?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
I don't need him to think for me but what he said perfectly sums up my thoughts so why bother repeating it?
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So a crushing defeat isn’t even a labour majority in your eyes?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA laughs again yet agrees the great orator even with truss at the helm can attain a labour majority

That also according to him is worst case. I assume with Tugenhat in his considered political analysis the Conservative Party retains a majority
 
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PVA

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The fucking irony of you complaining about using the laughing emoji.

Christ, if everyone in the receiving end of one from you questioned you as to why then this thread would be 1500 pages by now 🤣
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
The fucking irony of you complaining about using the laughing emoji.

Christ, if everyone in the receiving end of one from you questioned you as to why then this thread would be 1500 pages by now.
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Er I’m interested in your answer to my questions - not UKIP Tony - but yours
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Grendel said:
Sunak was miles ahead in terms of debate and rewind the last labour leadership he’s miles ahead of their performances

I was surprised how dominant he was - his problem is he looked at everyone else as if they were complete retards - then again.
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This is being stored for if Sunak doesn't win and your blind support of the Tories will see you laud whoever it as as some incredible leader.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
This is being stored for if Sunak doesn't win and your blind support of the Tories will see you laud whoever it as as some incredible leader.
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Genuinely Tugendhat came across best but because he was the only one to slate big dog his game is up. Or dare I say he only took a swipe at Johnson as he knows he has no shot.

Sunak just interrupted everyone in an effort to look more assertive.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Genuinely Tugendhat came across best but because he was the only one to slate big dog his game is up. Or dare I say he only took a swipe at Johnson as he knows he has no shot.

Sunak just interrupted everyone in an effort to look more assertive.
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He was useless he looked like he’d won a lottery to be leader elect for a day - why is he even still there
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I'd be more concerned that nobody else up there could just say what even most Tory voters think. Does Big Dog still have that much influence on them?
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It’s really irrelevant - he got some cheap applause and this is a skewed poll by its questions but it’s correct - none of them will match his success and it’s highly unlikely in the north they will be any more successful if he was still here

Boris Johnson still flying high in the polls on visit to RAF base | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

A MAJORITY of voters believe Boris Johnson is still Top Gun when it comes to winning elections.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

It’s irrelevant what they said and if he was leader he’d make IDS look competent
 
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Grendel said:
It’s really irrelevant - he got some cheap applause and this is a skewed poll by its questions but it’s correct - none of them will match his success and it’s highly unlikely in the north they will be any more successful if he was still here

Boris Johnson still flying high in the polls on visit to RAF base | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

A MAJORITY of voters believe Boris Johnson is still Top Gun when it comes to winning elections.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

It’s irrelevant what they said and if he was leader he’d make IDS look competent
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Of course Sunak's a Northern MP... includes where Gyokeres may end up living.

Quite a track record in that seat - Leon Brittain, William Hague, Sunak... where they like parachuting chosen ones...
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
It’s really irrelevant - he got some cheap applause and this is a skewed poll by its questions but it’s correct - none of them will match his success and it’s highly unlikely in the north they will be any more successful if he was still here

Boris Johnson still flying high in the polls on visit to RAF base | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

A MAJORITY of voters believe Boris Johnson is still Top Gun when it comes to winning elections.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

It’s irrelevant what they said and if he was leader he’d make IDS look competent
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PVA

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Grendel said:
It’s really irrelevant - he got some cheap applause and this is a skewed poll by its questions but it’s correct - none of them will match his success and it’s highly unlikely in the north they will be any more successful if he was still here

Boris Johnson still flying high in the polls on visit to RAF base | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

A MAJORITY of voters believe Boris Johnson is still Top Gun when it comes to winning elections.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk

It’s irrelevant what they said and if he was leader he’d make IDS look competent
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Of course no one will match his success... Because he's utterly trashed the reputation of the Conservative party.
 
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PVA

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Johnson doing the only thing he's capable of there. More cosplaying.

His entire premiership has seemingly been spent in a hi vis jacket.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
Of course no one will match his success... Because he's utterly trashed the reputation of the Conservative party.
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In which case I assume you predict a Blair style majority for Starmer at the next election

Is that your prediction?
 
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PVA

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Grendel said:
In which case I assume you predict a Blair style majority for Starmer at the next election

Is that your prediction?
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No. And I've never said that.

You've misunderstood the results of that poll and taken it as an endorsement of Johnson. It isn't.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
No. And I've never said that.

You've misunderstood the results of that poll and taken it as an endorsement of Johnson. It isn't.
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I didn’t as I caveated it with the fact that the questions were skewed

If it’s reputation is trashed you mean surely there is irreparable damage similar to the end of the labour administration in the late 70’s and therefore a failure to gain office for several years or the blood letting following the fall of Major?

Your statement implies surely years in tbe wilderness - do you think that’s going to happen?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
You are hilarious when you realise your side is losing.
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Oh I don’t think labour will have a chance of a majority which when you think about it is telling and they can try and form a Lib lab pact with the handful of Lib Dem opportunists and also allow sturgeon a say in Westminster politics.

Not going to end well that I predict
 
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PVA

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Grendel said:
I didn’t as I caveated it with the fact that the questions were skewed

If it’s reputation is trashed you mean surely there is irreparable damage similar to the end of the labour administration in the late 70’s and therefore a failure to gain office for several years or the blood letting following the fall of Major?

Your statement implies surely years in tbe wilderness - do you think that’s going to happen?
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Ah yes because the only two possible outcomes are an 80 seat Tory majority or 180 seat Labour majority, nothing at all in between.

As shmmeee says you flounder all over the place when you're losing.

My statement doesn't imply that. You've taken 2+2 and made 681382. Like you always do when you're losing and trying to propose absurd arguments.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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PVA said:
Ah yes because the only two possible outcomes are an 80 seat Tory majority or 180 seat Labour majority, nothing at all in between.

As shmmeee says you flounder all over the place when you're losing.

My statement doesn't imply that. You've taken 2+2 and made 681382. Like you always do when you're losing and trying to propose absurd arguments.
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I flounder?

You make a statement that the reputation is damaged and yesterday there would be a crushing defeat

Now you don’t see to even be able to express a view how that will manifest itself in parliament

I’ve said what I think will happen - a minority government which labour will need the support of several other parties - that’s not floundering that’s a view based on what I see

So what’s your view for the next election outcome - you must have one from the evidence around you?
 
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