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PVA

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We've got a missing PM, meanwhile the party puts on a self indulgent leadership contest.

Not like there's a cost of living crisis or anything.


 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Ignoring the outright disgraceful attitude…. How are you still using “inherited from Labour” after 12 fucken years in govenrment?
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In any case, deprived urban areas get more money firstly on the basis of population density. Uplifts for the places being deprived as far as I'm aware are not significant, and if they've increased over the last 12 years well there is only one party to blame for that.

As much as I am frustrated by Starmer and his uselessness, I cannot in good faith waste my vote and allow these utter rats to get into power again.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
In any case, deprived urban areas get more money firstly on the basis of population density. Uplifts for the places being deprived as far as I'm aware are not significant, and if they've increased over the last 12 years well there is only one party to blame for that.

As much as I am frustrated by Starmer and his uselessness, I cannot in good faith waste my vote and allow these utter rats to get into power again.
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Thats all it is. They’re the party of privilege and corruption.

If we had a normal right wing party that wasn’t an arm of the landed gentry then maybe we could be picky about Labour. But the fact is right now every election is ordinary people vs the establishment and frankly who the figurehead is at the time is irrelevant.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Meanwhile, Labour (and soft Tory) PMs generally leave office considerable more popular than Tory, thought it was interesting.

 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Meanwhile, Labour (and soft Tory) PMs generally leave office considerable more popular than Tory, thought it was interesting.

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im sure thatcher at some points during her tenure was even worse than that
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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fernandopartridge said:
In any case, deprived urban areas get more money firstly on the basis of population density. Uplifts for the places being deprived as far as I'm aware are not significant, and if they've increased over the last 12 years well there is only one party to blame for that.

As much as I am frustrated by Starmer and his uselessness, I cannot in good faith waste my vote and allow these utter rats to get into power again.
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If I could advise Starmer (not that he’s listen to a comrade) I’d say this is the perfect opportunity to coalesce round this bullshit - bring the left in from the cold, get on board with striking workers and build a juggernaut of public opinion that will oust these scum bags.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Ian1779 said:
If I could advise Starmer (not that he’s listen to a comrade) I’d say this is the perfect opportunity to coalesce round this bullshit - bring the left in from the cold, get on board with striking workers and build a juggernaut of public opinion that will oust these scum bags.
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But you’re looking at it from the left Ian. Starmer is trying to pitch Labour under his leadership to the whole country.

It might not go down well on here but I think the only things that can stop Labour winning the next election is infighting and/or moving further left. Even then they might still squeak home as it’s going to be a tough couple of years but it’s the Tories only chance of staying in the game

He needs to keep the focus on competence and come up with some clear, easily understood policies of how he would make peoples lives better, not jump on picket lines. If BoE is correct and we’re moving to a period of recession, public opinion might change with regard to the strikes from ‘they’re right, we all deserve a big pay rise’ to ‘they’re lucky to have a job, I can’t get to work and it’s costing me’
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
But you’re looking at it from the left Ian. Starmer is trying to pitch Labour under his leadership to the whole country.

It might not go down well on here but I think the only things that can stop Labour winning the next election is infighting and/or moving further left. Even then they might squeak home as it’s going to be a tough couple of years.

He needs to keep the focus on competence and come up with some clear, easily understood policies of how he would make peoples lives better, not jump on picket lines. If BoE is correct and we’re moving to a period of recession, public opinion might change with regard to the strikes from ‘they’re right, we all deserve a big pay rise’ to ‘they’re lucky to have a job, I can’t get to work and it’s costing me’
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Campaigning alongside and on behalf of working people for better conditions is too left wing?
 
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CCFCSteve

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Campaigning alongside and on behalf of working people for better conditions is too left wing?
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Public opinion is (or was around) say 50/50, he’s trying to pitch Labour to the whole country. He’s said he’s supports their stance for better pay but being seen on picket lines will play into Tories hands
 
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CCFCSteve said:
It might not go down well on here but I think the only things that can stop Labour winning the next election is infighting and/or moving further left. Even then they might still squeak home as it’s going to be a tough couple of years but it’s the Tories only chance of staying in the game
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If I were Conservatives, I'd be calling an election as soon as is feasible after the leadership campaign is done. I genuinely think they might win then, as they have to lose a lot of seats to lose their majority.
 
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As a small aside, truss's policy (now ditched) of linking public sector pay to standard of living in areas rather than having a flat rate was the quite correct one.

The main problem is such wages need to go *up* in places like London, whereas you know full well the cunning plan was to make wages go *down* in Darlington and the like...

Therefore, it's a bloody good job even she saw sense and ditched it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
Public opinion is (or was around) say 50/50, he’s trying to pitch Labour to the whole country. He’s said he’s supports their stance for better pay but being seen on picket lines will play into Tories hands
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I’m not just talking about the strikes
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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CCFCSteve said:
But you’re looking at it from the left Ian. Starmer is trying to pitch Labour under his leadership to the whole country.

It might not go down well on here but I think the only things that can stop Labour winning the next election is infighting and/or moving further left. Even then they might still squeak home as it’s going to be a tough couple of years but it’s the Tories only chance of staying in the game

He needs to keep the focus on competence and come up with some clear, easily understood policies of how he would make peoples lives better, not jump on picket lines. If BoE is correct and we’re moving to a period of recession, public opinion might change with regard to the strikes from ‘they’re right, we all deserve a big pay rise’ to ‘they’re lucky to have a job, I can’t get to work and it’s costing me’
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Voters that look at that video and still think the Tories are the party for them are never gonna switch irrespective of what Starmer does from the left, centre or otherwise.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ian1779 said:
Voters that look at that video and still think the Tories are the party for them are never gonna switch irrespective of what Starmer does from the left, centre or otherwise.
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And those who do will probably switch to Ed Davy
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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CCFCSteve said:
But you’re looking at it from the left Ian. Starmer is trying to pitch Labour under his leadership to the whole country.

It might not go down well on here but I think the only things that can stop Labour winning the next election is infighting and/or moving further left. Even then they might still squeak home as it’s going to be a tough couple of years but it’s the Tories only chance of staying in the game

He needs to keep the focus on competence and come up with some clear, easily understood policies of how he would make peoples lives better, not jump on picket lines. If BoE is correct and we’re moving to a period of recession, public opinion might change with regard to the strikes from ‘they’re right, we all deserve a big pay rise’ to ‘they’re lucky to have a job, I can’t get to work and it’s costing me’
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Your ridiculous Tory mentality showing up again
 
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CCFCSteve

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Ian1779 said:
So you can realistically say that Sunak is a c**t for what he said in that video.
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It was a ridiculous thing to say. Do I think he truly means it, probably not, but looks/sounds awful.

My understanding was that they’d ploughed cash into certain new red wall seats/deprived areas (like with Houchen in Tees valley) so not sure about his suggestion that he’s cut funding.

I saw it as a short clip, possibly lacking in context, of him trying to play to the crowd…badly ! But if he truly believes it’s right to cut funding in deprived areas, he’d be a c**t in my book
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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CCFCSteve said:
It was a ridiculous thing to say. Do I think he truly means it, probably not, but looks/sounds awful.

My understanding was that they’d ploughed cash into certain new red wall seats/deprived areas (like with Houchen in Tees valley) so not sure about his suggestion that he’s cut funding.

I saw it as a short clip, possibly lacking in context, of him trying to play to the crowd…badly ! But if he truly believes it’s right to cut funding in deprived areas, he’d be a c**t in my book
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I don’t think he meant it either. No doubt he’d keep his promise of cutting funding to poorer areas but I doubt he’d use that money to give to richer area’s.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CCFCSteve said:
It was a ridiculous thing to say. Do I think he truly means it, probably not, but looks/sounds awful.

My understanding was that they’d ploughed cash into certain new red wall seats/deprived areas (like with Houchen in Tees valley) so not sure about his suggestion that he’s cut funding.

I saw it as a short clip, possibly lacking in context, of him trying to play to the crowd…badly ! But if he truly believes it’s right to cut funding in deprived areas, he’d be a c**t in my book
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Yeah it’s a real problem with party leadership contests as we’re seeing with both parties. First go full bore mentalist to convince the loonies in the party then pivot to centrist for the public, leaving everyone pissed off with you.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s a real problem with party leadership contests as we’re seeing with both parties. First go full bore mentalist to convince the loonies in the party then pivot to centrist for the public, leaving everyone pissed off with you.
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All it shows is that you can't trust a word they say because they'll just say whatever it is they think that particular crowd want to hear. Which shows that they're more than happy to be dishonest if it suits them.

Call me crazy, but that's not a trait I'm looking for in anyone, let alone a leader.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
All it shows is that you can't trust a word they say because they'll just say whatever it is they think that particular crowd want to hear. Which shows that they're more than happy to be dishonest if it suits them.

Call me crazy, but that's not a trait I'm looking for in anyone, let alone a leader.
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I agree

 
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