fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
(1) But we have to face the fact that the only time we've had a Labour/non right wing government in my lifetime is when it moved more to the right. Would you say that that government, even though not ideologically what we'd want, was still massively different to what we've seen from the Tories?
(2) Whether we like it or not, there are far too many people that have been indoctrinated into right-wing thinking and are automatically sceptical when you say things like socialism, even if it would be better for them.
(3) Corbyn had two elections and lost both. I think the Tories would feel far more confident of winning the next one, even despite the shitshow, if he were still in charge because they know they can just press those buttons.
(4) I've said before that I think a lot of the recent Labour leaders have been let down by advisors trying to make them appeal to as many people as possible, and thus come across as disingenuous. At this point the Tories are showing their incompetence and are losing themselves the next election. Rocking the boat is only likely to make it less likely Labour will win. Right now, the objective is to make sure they get into power, then they can start making changes. Acting like a left wing firebrand is not going to help achieve that aim.
(5) Of course he can't win - go left wing and Tories push that button and say he's a threat to the economy or stay more to the centre and get accused of just being a Tory in disguise. I'm sure the Tories love hearing people say they think Starmer is little different to them so why vote for him. They know he'd be different.
(1) No
(2) Where have I said he should say 'socialism' - it's hardly an exclusively socialist ideal to make sure that payment for services rendered keeps pace with inflation
(3) Why are you talking about Corbyn?
(4) Rocking the boat? People are skint. The boat is very unsteady for many as it is.
(5) Please refer to (2)