Grendel
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Yep it’s just shallow sound bites from social media
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Yep it’s just shallow sound bites from social media
He's made it very clear he wants closer ties, and rightly so.
Grendel
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Totally opposed to any greater integration and Brexit can work fine
Stop getting Brexit wrong, Labour’s born-again Brexiteer Starmer tells Tories
Rishi Sunak’s ‘total mismanagement of Brexit’ is the problem, Starmer argues.
www.politico.eu
clint van damme
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fixed
skybluetony176
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He has a plan to have a veterinary agreement with the EU which will help with movement of goods and repair some of the damage in Northern Ireland, he also plans to have an agreement with the EU on mutually recognising professional qualifications. Sticking plasters on a shit ideology that needs many many more. Other than that though?
Totally opposed to any greater integration and Brexit can work fine
Stop getting Brexit wrong, Labour’s born-again Brexiteer Starmer tells Tories
Rishi Sunak’s ‘total mismanagement of Brexit’ is the problem, Starmer argues.
Shock as he takes a more Brexit friendly tone in an article for the Express.
This is what he wants:
Starmer seeks closer EU ties to ease pressures
Sir Keir Starmer has indicated that he would seek a closer trading relationship with the European Union, including a more flexible approach to migration.
dailybusinessgroup.co.uk
And he doesn't say he's opposed to any greater integration anyway
skybluetony176
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Isn’t that based on current GDP performance though? If he can grow the economy and GDP the budget deficit should shrink.
clint van damme
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the problem is he doesn't see to have a plan to grow the economy other than this vague concept of 'reform', it's Johnsonesque bollocks.
shmmeee
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Johnsons plan involved huge infrastructure investment. It was significantly better thought out!
skybluetony176
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It’s the same as my point on his brexit “policy”. He has as far as I can see one tangible plan in cutting business rates for small and medium sized businesses but aside from that it’s all vague intangible sound bites. You would hope at the conference he’s going to announce a full and tangible plan ahead of next year GE.
skybluetony176
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And Johnson’s vague idea of levelling up if implemented with a deliverable plan would be a way to grow the economy.
fernandopartridge
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It'd be interesting to see if any government has ever sustained economic growth in those conditions particularly from the UK's starting position.
The sort of stuff he's saying is straight out of the coalition government of 2010, it did not work for them or their successors, so why on earth would it work now?
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shmmeee
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It’s more Trumpian, saying you’ve got a great cheap solution our species best minds haven’t come up with but you can’t tell anyone what it is.
“Reform” isn’t free anyway. Reorganising costs a lot of money. You need very good evidence what’s on the other side is worth it.
“Reform” isn’t free anyway. Reorganising costs a lot of money. You need very good evidence what’s on the other side is worth it.
Grendel
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Shock as he takes a more Brexit friendly tone in an article for the Express.
This is what he wants:
Starmer seeks closer EU ties to ease pressures
Sir Keir Starmer has indicated that he would seek a closer trading relationship with the European Union, including a more flexible approach to migration.dailybusinessgroup.co.uk
And he doesn't say he's opposed to any greater integration anyway
lol so he just says whatever the audience he’s with wants to hear
A minute ago you said he wants no integration with the EU and now you're saying he won't take us back into the EU. Which is it? Because they are two very different things.
What point is there in having perfect ideology but never winning an election?
Winning an election is literally the aim of the game. Then he can be judged on ideology and policy.
Because it's possible to be pro EU and try and make brexit work. That is not saying two different things.
You said he wants no integration with the EU and then posted an article where he doesn't say that.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Could stop there.
fatso
Well-Known Member
I don't think the next general election will have anything to do with Brexit or the EU.
I can't imagine it being discussed much at the local food bank, or it being blamed when people are having their family homes repossessed.
Sick Boy
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Believe it or not but it also gets no coverage outside of the UK. The EU has well and truly moved on and there's going to be next to no appetite to revisit it now.
shmmeee
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The only reason it’s being discussed is because there aren’t many free and easy ways to boost your economy. At some point economic reality kicks in ahead of head banging and we go back asking for SM access at least.
I'm not surprised it doesn't get any coverage outside the UK. We left and are largely an irrelevance them now.
It'll probably get a fair bit of coverage when we go back to them cap in hand at some point in the future.
clint van damme
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Wasn't there someone quite high profile in the EU who recently said that the assumption that the UK would need to adopt the Euro asa condition of rejoining wasn't true?
I may have imagined it!
skybluetony176
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Well. I’m willing to give him until he releases his official election manifesto before drawing final judgement on him but right now the biggest reason for voting labour is the aren’t the Tories. In some respects I think a change in government will be a trigger for growth simply because industry and business has lost faith in the government. Between government failure and brexit the UK has become an unattractive place to invest. At least a change in government will address one of those issues.
shmmeee
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I mean that’s politics. I’m not going to complain about him trying to win an election. But the way he’s going he’s going to have to spin on a dime the second he’s elected or do literally nothing Sunak style for five years.
Not sure that last statements quite true. Could we be more attractive to invest in, of course….maybe drop CT by half to irelands level although I’m not sure now is quite the time to be slashing CT, or agree to follow EUs agri/food/veterinary standards which I’m sure would help little. There is no doubt that political instability (shitshow) and the lack of clarity/barriers post brexit haven't helped us in recent years but to say we are an unattractive place to invest is factually incorrect
Foreign Direct Investment: UK grows as Europe declines
Foreign direct investment (FDI) in UK has grown with its European share of FDI increasing, largely driven by resurging digital investment.
UK most attractive for financial services investment
EY’s latest Attractiveness Survey for Financial Services finds the UK remains Europe’s most attractive destination for financial services investment
www.ey.com