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Sick Boy

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She's 38 now but didn't decide to go to Uni until she was 22 so 2008 was her first year,she did a 4 year degree because she elected to go to a uni in America for her third year.
I'm only a year older and left in 2008, but I was going on 21 when I started. I left school at 16 with only a couple of GSCEs and needed more or less top marks at A-Level in all 3 subjects to get in...it's still the thing I'm most proud of doing, to be honest. It was still difficult though, I ended up getting a train to Cov at 6am the day after Fresher's Week finished to get away from it all.
 

Sick Boy

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They have no need to. Refugee status is a question of need due to persecution, fear for life, it’s not a question of wants or preferences- get to Europe and they are safe.
If 100s of thousands of people were landing in the UK each year, I doubt you'd say the same thing.
 
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Not all immigrants go into the NHS. In fact, our reliance on migrant healthcare workers is a result of failures in policy elsewhere e.g. caps on uni places and stagnant wages in the NHS.

As for cultural factors, we want people to assimilate and share values of openness, religious/political freedom and so on.
So how where do we get the doctors, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?

You say we want political freedom but appear to support rounding up of asylum seekers and their deportation to an African country apparently contrary to international law.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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So how where do we get the doctor's, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?

You say we want political freedom but appear to support rounding up of asylum seekers and their deportation to an African country apparently contrary to international law.
Who would still vote Labour if they openly supported that policy?
 

MalcSB

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Did you
If 100s of thousands of people were landing in the UK each year, I doubt you'd say the same thing.
Did you read what I was responding to, there is no need for people to come to UK to escape persecution, they are safein Europe. They do not arrive here directly from their country of origin.
 

Sick Boy

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Did you

Did you read what I was responding to, there is no need for people to come to UK to escape persecution, they are safein Europe. They do not arrive here directly from their country of origin.
I understood it, but as I said, the language will always draw people and the opportunities to work illegally, plus a lot of them probably have family or friends in the UK.
 

MalcSB

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I understood it, but as I said, the language will always draw people and the opportunities to work illegally, plus a lot of them probably have family or friends in the UK.
That doesn’t mean they should be Allowed to come here. We are a small country.
 

oscillatewildly

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Well no but you are I’m afraid talking nonsense. Marx opposed migration. The Lenin inspired revolution opposed it. Gueverra was a hideous racist.

You are not a socialist and in the end anti capitalist ideology is protectionist and values non democratic means of governance
Add Trotsky and er, Len McCluskey to the ever growing list of socialists opposed to immigration.
 
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What I find really sad is that a tolerant, fair minded country discharges its obligations to the oppressed, the abused, and the persecuted of this world.

That's not my Britain.
 
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Add Trotsky and er, Len McCluskey to the ever growing list of socialists opposed to immigration.
You're doing the same as Grendel. Just picking out individual left wing politicians, who aren't necessarily socialists anyway, saying they prove that socialism is intrinsically anti immigration. It was not conceived as such as an ideology. And there were early socialists who were very much internationalists.
 

Ian1779

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What I find really sad is that a tolerant, fair minded country discharges its obligations to the oppressed, the abused, and the persecuted of this world.

That's not my Britain.
Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.
 
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Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.
Many of the asylum seekers are fleeing the Taliban as we abandoned them following our botched withdrawal.
 

MalcSB

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What
Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.
What military action are we currently engaged in?
 
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"An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."

Oh no. The horror. How dare they.
Especially when we have often been the reason for that being the case like waging wars in the Middle East.
 

nicksar

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I'm only a year older and left in 2008, but I was going on 21 when I started. I left school at 16 with only a couple of GSCEs and needed more or less top marks at A-Level in all 3 subjects to get in...it's still the thing I'm most proud of doing, to be honest. It was still difficult though, I ended up getting a train to Cov at 6am the day after Fresher's Week finished to get away from it all.
Great achievement Sick Boy your reaping the rewards now👍
My Daughter stayed on campus for the first year and to be fair it was in the least costly accommodation right next to the on campus pub.
 

MalcSB

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"An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."

Oh no. The horror. How dare they.
Economic migrants are not entitled to settle elsewhere Illegally.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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So how where do we get the doctors, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?

You say we want political freedom but appear to support rounding up of asylum seekers and their deportation to an African country apparently contrary to international law.

Well Herts, you need a combination of short term and long term policies otherwise you’re in a perpetual cycle.

Not all of the 750k or so migrants are NHS workers, in reality it’s a small portion of these figures. Bearing in mind there are approx 265k in the NHS workforce as a whole. In fact, the Health and Care visa route expected 6,000 applications per year. Last year that figure was 145k and an additional 203k dependents. The CPS (a think tank) reckons this is being abused ‘on an industrial scale’ by fake companies and evidence of modern slavery - but most importantly, not actually working in care.

We need a deterrent for illegally entering in the country and it’s a European wide issue and as we will see in the Euro elections, a lot of nasty parties will have elected representatives down to this issue.
 
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oscillatewildly

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You're doing the same as Grendel. Just picking out individual left wing politicians, who aren't necessarily socialists anyway, saying they prove that socialism is intrinsically anti immigration. It was not conceived as such as an ideology. And there were early socialists who were very much internationalists.
There's a lot straying from the path though don't you think, Herts?
I mean, did they not read the good book properly or is it more a case of rewriting it?
 

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