Sick Boy
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Have you tried ordering melatonin online? I’d be trying that out before anything a doctor prescribes for it.
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Sick Boy
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Yeah because Trumps never rambles on incoherently about absolute nonsense.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Will take any suggestions I can get at the moment!
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s definitely worth a try. For some reason you can’t buy it in UK without a prescription but you can order it online.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
A doctor will prescribe melatonin. I’d be careful the doses the yanks take are ridiculously high. I don’t know what’s in the stuff you’d order online.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
It’s available freely in Italy as well and I take it to help with insomnia and it definitely works. The doses are the same as in America, just without all inevitable sugar for their flavourings.
shmmeee
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Well I’ll leave it up to BSB as someone who knows more than me. Maybe the higher doses are needed and the NHS don’t know what they’re talking about.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I’d much rather take it than stuff like Nytol, which, IMO, is far worse.
edit: based on the below, the melatonin doses there seem to be higher actually.
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Como
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You can get big jars of Melatonin Gummies, This is about GBP10
Natrol Melatonin Time Release 5 mg., 250 Tablets
Features:
100% Drug-Free Sleep Aid
Clinically Tested Ingredient
2 Layer Tablet Provides Immediate and Controlled Release of Melatonin
Contains Vitamin B6 to Support Natural Melatonin Production
A friends Mother who is a Doctor suggested Magnesium Glycinate, I have tried that and not sure it has done much. A friend who cultivates Mushrooms and encapsulates them has a strain for sleep and so far they have been the most successful, I forget the name of the active ingredient.
Natrol Melatonin Time Release 5 mg., 250 Tablets
Features:
100% Drug-Free Sleep Aid
Clinically Tested Ingredient
2 Layer Tablet Provides Immediate and Controlled Release of Melatonin
Contains Vitamin B6 to Support Natural Melatonin Production
A friends Mother who is a Doctor suggested Magnesium Glycinate, I have tried that and not sure it has done much. A friend who cultivates Mushrooms and encapsulates them has a strain for sleep and so far they have been the most successful, I forget the name of the active ingredient.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The biggest increases in incapacity benefits in relation to MH, iirc in the 20-30 (or thereabouts) age bracket. Mental health isn’t really stigmatised the same way it was say, 10 years ago.
Just leaving them alone sounds like a nice idea. Yet, how would young people benefit mentally from being skint, isolated and have no purpose to get out of bed in the morning. That won’t help with depression and something like anxiety won’t be resolved/improved if people aren’t undertaking exposure therapy.
I’m speaking from some past experience here, I struggled quite a lot between my last year at uni and when I entered the workforce. Some of the worst demographics of people suffering with mental health disorders is university students. In my final year at uni, my uni topped a poll where 66% of respondents suffered some MH issues. The poll wasn’t done by Ipsos Mori exactly, but it’s a grim reading nonetheless.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Yeah Nytol didn’t do anything for me. By all means though do DM what works for you.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Hmmm, no mention of reinstaning 2b. Project is pretty much pointless if its only partially delivered, how much capacity will be released on existing services by adding Birmingham to Crewe to not going to Manchester.
Potentially could be used by people travelling from Liverpool but doesn't HS2 go into a different station in Crewe to existing services so you'd be relying on people being happy to not just change trains but change stations.
Alarm bells ringing with this as well "It is also understood that HS2 Ltd will not be overseeing Phase 2a, instead it will be handed to a private sector consortium"
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Nytol worked for me but I built up a tolerance and ended up taking 3/4.
Im travelling today so will DM you tomorrow.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Im still hoping for some kind of HS3/NPR type east-west plan that connects on. But more hope than expectation. Crewe isn’t a bad place to leave it for future expansion though. TBH I’m amazed they’ve given us anything considering the current treasury brain.
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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I think at least getting it partially delivered provides the case and an actual basis for delivering it full
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duffer
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Read the article and look at the concerns that the charities directly involved in mental health have. Note also the distinct lack of evidence; where are the studies quoted, for example.
And then join the dots with regard to Labour's approach to welfare, now and in its recent history, and ask yourself whether this is about supporting people with serious mental health issues or more about forcing them back to work.
The people I know with serious mental health issues need the service to be available to them, and not left to fend for themselves, hurt themselves, or hurt others, TBH.
They don't generally need a back to work conversation with an untrained adviser pushing to get them off benefits.
I'd say try a bit of humanity and think through what's really going on in those "back-to-work" interviews with seriously ill people, before taking Liz Kendall's word for it, but I get that you feel obliged to defend the party at all costs.
Citizen Network: Disability Benefits and Suicide
A Channel Four documentary has revealed the cruel nature of the UK's disability system.
citizen-network.org
'I receive PIP - Labour will be just as bad as the Tories if they cut benefits'
Benefits claimants told i they may be forced to live 'hand-to-mouth' under the Government's policies
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shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Read the article and look at the concerns that the charities directly involved in mental health have. Note also the distinct lack of evidence; where are the studies quoted, for example.
And then join the dots with regard to Labour's approach to welfare, now and in its recent history, and ask yourself whether this is about supporting people with serious mental health issues or more about forcing them back to work.
The people I know with serious mental health issues need the service to be available to them, and not left to fend for themselves, hurt themselves, or hurt others, TBH.
They don't generally need a back to work conversation with an untrained adviser pushing to get them off benefits.
I'd say try a bit of humanity and think through what's really going on in those "back-to-work" interviews with seriously ill people, before taking Liz Kendall's word for it, but I get that you feel obliged to defend the party at all costs.
Citizen Network: Disability Benefits and Suicide
A Channel Four documentary has revealed the cruel nature of the UK's disability system.
'I receive PIP - Labour will be just as bad as the Tories if they cut benefits'
Benefits claimants told i they may be forced to live 'hand-to-mouth' under the Government's policies
They aren’t back to work conversations though. That’s the mistake you and FP are making. You’ve heard DWP and assumed it’s A4E 2: This time it’s mental.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Hopefully private sector funding as well.
I wonder which version of the costs they used for the cost: benefit analysis - the real ones or HS2 Ltd‘s work of fiction?
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Pun intended? Sounds like you are in the same position as the Transport Department.
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Scary to think that 1 in 8 US adults are using this drug.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Do you agree that prevention is better than the cure?
MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Isn’t prevention a bit late once someone is morbidly obese? Surely it’s at the cure stage then.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Well no one’s suggesting giving Ozempic to people who aren’t obese BSB so I think that horse has bolted.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
If we don’t combat what leads someone to become obese in the first place we’ll need a lot more Ozempic for sure. No problem with using it for the already morbidly obese, provided they’ve been through the other pathways first.
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Bizarre.
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
What’s bizarre about not wanting people to become obese in the first place?
Philosoraptor
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Mandatory boot camps for all.
