Do you want to discuss boring politics? (31 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

We’re still some way off AGI despite the hype. But we may not need it for a lot of work. My productivity has easily doubled since LLMs existed, but I use that gain to post on here at the moment Once businesses figure out they only need half of us… Unless of course the managers are doing the same

yep, spot on. While it’s purely ‘large language models’ we still have a chance

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

Perhaps we should bring back Covid and cull some old people to ease the burden.

Again- extremism and defensiveness.

In fact in a rare foray into politics, wasn’t it your buddy, your former avatar, your esteemed Tory leader who stated that Covid should be allowed to rip through the older generations?

 

[rob9872]

You may as well stop with the politics, I’ve no skin in the game and I don’t care about any of them. The point is that you stated that housing is the only issue facing the next generations, which is blatantly untrue.

Not the only issue their facing, those arent my words. I said the only burden left by the current generation who are being blamed for just about everything else! Those who bought their house and in most cases probably did it for their kids. It's not their fault house prices have gone up, should they go and live in a tent? I agree with issues on those who have multiple houses, but the time these bought their houses they were single unit families, lower population and plenty to go round. This circular argument is really fekking ne off now.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not the only issue they’re facing, those arent my words. I said the only burden left by the current generation who are being blamed for just about everything else! Those who bought their house and in most cases probably did it for their kids. It's not their fault house prices have gone up, should they go and live in a tent? I agree with issues on those who have multiple houses, but the time these bought their houses they were single unit families, lower population and plenty to go round. This circular argument is really fekking ne off now.

You literally said “the only hardship I see is house ownership”

 

[shmmeee]

Thinking about the budget. I wonder if the thinking behind loading the tax onto particularly low wage employment is to try and drive up automation as they’re making full expensing permanent. Maybe just cope.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How public spending was calculated in your tax summary

www.gov.uk

Shows health spending at £211bn or 19.8% of total.

It shows social protection excluding state pensions at twice as much as state pensions. Does that mean that logically those who say the latter isn’t affordable for the future due to shrinking workforce should also accept that the rest of the benefit system isn't affordable either?

It does yes

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Not the only issue their facing, those arent my words. I said the only burden left by the current generation who are being blamed for just about everything else! Those who bought their house and in most cases probably did it for their kids. It's not their fault house prices have gone up, should they go and live in a tent? I agree with issues on those who have multiple houses, but the time these bought their houses they were single unit families, lower population and plenty to go round. This circular argument is really fekking ne off now.

But again, with housing - it’s not the purchasing that’s the problem. It’s that they then leverage their own property to purchase more to feather their pensions.

then again being the largest electorate they vote the party that has consistently drove down the NHS, pushed Brexit and destroyed anything that assists the younger generation

Then you’ve got the issue whenever there’s a housing development proposed - guess who doesn’t want a housing development near them…

 

[rob9872]

But again, with housing - it’s not the purchasing that’s the problem. It’s that they then leverage their own property to purchase more to feather their pensions.

then again being the largest electorate they vote the party that has consistently drove down the NHS, pushed Brexit and destroyed anything that assists the younger generation

Then you’ve got the issue whenever there’s a housing development proposed - guess who doesn’t want a housing development near them…

Nothing like stereotyping. If anyone did that with any other group I'm sure you'd be part of the pile on.

 

[rob9872]

You literally said “the only hardship I see is house ownership”

Only hardship different to other generations is clearly what was meany in context.

 

[It’sabatch87]

My property is mortgage free at 58 and have three I rent out privately.
I’ve worked bloody hard and also suffered interest rates at 13%.
I’m enjoying things now with a part time job.
Can’t see the problem tbh!!

 

[Grendel]

Again- extremism and defensiveness.

In fact in a rare foray into politics, wasn’t it your buddy, your former avatar, your esteemed Tory leader who stated that Covid should be allowed to rip through the older generations?

Ironic accusing others of extremism and defensiveness.

Whst also is odd is we relatively speaking have a lower percentage of over 65 than most other European countries. It’s not a uk problem.

 

[fernandopartridge]

How public spending was calculated in your tax summary

www.gov.uk

Shows health spending at £211bn or 19.8% of total.

It shows social protection excluding state pensions at twice as much as state pensions. Does that mean that logically those who say the latter isn’t affordable for the future due to shrinking workforce should also accept that the rest of the benefit system isn't affordable either?

It is all affordable, it is only political will that says it isn't. Eurozone countries that do not have the power to issue their own currency manage to pay pensions twice the value of those in the UK.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Nothing like stereotyping. If anyone did that with any other group I'm sure you'd be part of the pile on.

Well it’s not - it’s the generation that overwhelmingly voted Conservative and the generation that overwhelmingly voted for Brexit.

The consequence of those actions have ultimately led to the detriments of younger people.

 

[chiefdave]

Bloody medical science saving our parents and making our kids 'poor'

Barring some huge advances in automated health and social care that brings the cost right down in not sure what you do. Pensions really is small fry compared to say Alzheimer’s care.

Anyone who has had to spend years caring for, and paying for care for, a parent with dementia would quite possibly argue that the medical science keeping them alive for years past the point their bodies and brains is not what they would call saving them.

For example the amount of money my Dads care since he started getting ill must have cost the NHS and social services will be astronomical. I see very little benefit to that spend. He spends all day in bed in distress as he can't comprehend what is happening. Visits from family make no difference as he doesn't recognise anyone. What is the upside to the huge cost, not like its something that he will recover from. Spending huge amounts of money forcing people to stay alive in permanent distress doesn't seem a great idea to me.

That's before you even consider the impact on inheritance. Lots of people on here talking about how they've worked hard to pass something on to their kids. Exactly what my Dad did and intended but there's going to be very little, if anything, left. In fact at the moment I'm paying some of the costs out of my own income as what is being left for my mum after paying for everything isn't enough for her to live on.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Whst also is odd is we relatively speaking have a lower percentage of over 65 than most other European countries. It’s not a uk problem.

Yes, you always were the master at whataboutery.

 

[Grendel]

Yes, you always were the master at whataboutery.

How is that whataboutery?

Surely as according to you young people would have to pay for Private Health Care to stay alive then the same issue exists worldwide? Why are you a Little Englander all of a sudden?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

How is that whataboutery?

Surely as according to you young people would have to pay for Private Health Care to stay alive then the same issue exists worldwide? Why are you a Little Englander all of a sudden?

Never change

 

[MalcSB]

But again, with housing - it’s not the purchasing that’s the problem. It’s that they then leverage their own property to purchase more to feather their pensions.

then again being the largest electorate they vote the party that has consistently drove down the NHS, pushed Brexit and destroyed anything that assists the younger generation

Then you’ve got the issue whenever there’s a housing development proposed - guess who doesn’t want a housing development near them…

You are banging on about a very small minority of people, and are guilty of the generalisations you accuse boomers of. Go and get yourself a Costa.

 

[shmmeee]

You are banging on about a very small minority of people, and are guilty of the generalisations you accuse boomers of. Go and get yourself a Costa.

It’s just a numbers game. The reality is the retired have the time to go to meetings, read planning apps, write responses, and vote. So even without a baby boom they’re going to have outsized political influence (maybe rightly), with the baby boom it just puts rocket boosters under it. But I think this attitude has been an issue for a while. Maybe we need better levers other than whining about planning for engaged older citizens to pull.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You are banging on about a very small minority of people, and are guilty of the generalisations you accuse boomers of. Go and get yourself a Costa.

Why are you ignoring the other points - re: Brexit and Voting patterns?

that’s a fact - they overwhelmingly voted for these crucial things which have destroyed anything for younger people?

Prefer Starbucks myself aswell.

 

[rob9872]

Why are you ignoring the other points - re: Brexit and Voting patterns?

that’s a fact - they overwhelmingly voted for these crucial things which have destroyed anything for younger people?

Prefer Starbucks myself aswell.

Probably because Brexit could still be the right option, it's just been delivered badly until now and voting for the party you don't happen to like doesn't make you right. It's called democracy.

 

[Mcbean]

Thinking about the budget. I wonder if the thinking behind loading the tax onto particularly low wage employment is to try and drive up automation as they’re making full expensing permanent. Maybe just cope.

It’s slightly ironic when the manifesto promise is no change to workers pay packet - that’s not quite true when the some of the sme’s start closing down and making redundancies - currently our place has 90 going

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My property is mortgage free at 58 and have three I rent out privately.
I’ve worked bloody hard and also suffered interest rates at 13%.
I’m enjoying things now with a part time job.
Can’t see the problem tbh!!

Nor me but it’s right that you are asked for a bit more money than someone on minimum wage if we’re raising some money

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Probably because Brexit could still be the right option, it's just been delivered badly until now and voting for the party you don't happen to like doesn't make you right. It's called democracy.

It’s been delivered badly by who? How was it ever going to be delivered well? The EU we’re never going to offer us favourable terms. We need them way more than they need us

The Australians laughed at our deal that we got with them - it’s that bad

On election night - George Osborne said the one with the EU we got under Johnson was worse than the one we negotiated with May.

immigration? - we had the Dublin agreement - we could actually send a load back to France… can’t do that now.

brexit is never going to be the right option. Young people have lost freedom of movement, cost of goods have gone up and I’m sure the NHS is still waiting for the 350m a day.

and correct it is democracy - doesn’t hide the fact that the past 14 years have been a monumental fuck up. Yet people kept voting for this becuase you know “get Brexit done”

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s been delivered badly by who? How was it ever going to be delivered well? The EU we’re never going to offer us favourable terms. We need them way more than they need us

The Australians laughed at our deal that we got with them - it’s that bad

On election night - George Osborne said the one with the EU we got under Johnson was worse than the one we negotiated with May.

immigration? - we had the Dublin agreement - we could actually send a load back to France… can’t do that now.

brexit is never going to be the right option. Young people have lost freedom of movement, cost of goods have gone up and I’m sure the NHS is still waiting for the 350m a day.

and correct it is democracy - doesn’t hide the fact that the past 14 years have been a monumental fuck up. Yet people kept voting for this becuase you know “get Brexit done”

The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for a all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.

 

[rob9872]

It’s been delivered badly by who? How was it ever going to be delivered well? The EU we’re never going to offer us favourable terms. We need them way more than they need us

The Australians laughed at our deal that we got with them - it’s that bad

On election night - George Osborne said the one with the EU we got under Johnson was worse than the one we negotiated with May.

immigration? - we had the Dublin agreement - we could actually send a load back to France… can’t do that now.

brexit is never going to be the right option. Young people have lost freedom of movement, cost of goods have gone up and I’m sure the NHS is still waiting for the 350m a day.

and correct it is democracy - doesn’t hide the fact that the past 14 years have been a monumental fuck up. Yet people kept voting for this becuase you know “get Brexit done”

14 years again. It's like a broken record. Of everything was perfect before 2010, why did they come to power?

I also think you've conveniently forgotten the red wall in the north on Brexit, so that you can keep piling on your hatred for the elderly. Hopefully when you're there, the younger generations won't view you in the same way.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for an all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.

Soft Brexit? No they couldn’t - whenever this was mentioned they’d still have to maintain freedom of movement and adhere to EU standards… something which was the red lines as such.

Ultimately it was For Theresa and Boris to sort and they fucked it up monumentally

14 years again. It's like a broken record. Of everything was perfect before 2010, why did they come to power?

I also think you've conveniently forgotten the red wall in the north on Brexit, so that you can keep piling on your hatred for the elderly. Hopefully when you're there, the younger generations won't view you in the same way.

they come into power because the Lib Dem’s funnily enough betrayed all of their principles for a bit of power, and a banking crisis caused in America, that was blamed o nthe previous government.

and in not sure they will - incidentally millennials are the first generation not to become conservative as they age.

the “boomer” legacy is seen as taking us out of a union they benefitted from and consistently voting against assisting younger people at every turn, whilst telling them it’s all their fault.

Pre 2010, NHS Waiting times were massively lower and poverty was at its lowest.

I don’t hate the elderly - I would like them to acknowledge the difficulties that are faced today rather than telling them “get rid of Netflix etc and that they had 15% interest rates”

i don’t even come into that block either - I own a house, got a good job and 2 good kids. But I can acknowledge I was extremely lucky in that

 

[Grendel]

Soft Brexit? No they couldn’t - whenever this was mentioned they’d still have to maintain freedom of movement and adhere to EU standards… something which was the red lines as such.

Ultimately it was For Theresa and Boris to sort and they fucked it up monumentally

they come into power because the Lib Dem’s funnily enough betrayed all of their principles for a bit of power, and a banking crisis caused in America, that was blamed o nthe previous government.

and in not sure they will - incidentally millennials are the first generation not to become conservative as they age.

the “boomer” legacy is seen as taking us out of a union they benefitted from and consistently voting against assisting younger people at every turn, whilst telling them it’s all their fault.

Pre 2010, NHS Waiting times were massively lower and poverty was at its lowest.

I don’t hate the elderly - I would like them to acknowledge the difficulties that are faced today rather than telling them “get rid of Netflix etc and that they had 15% interest rates”

i don’t even come into that block either - I own a house, got a good job and 2 good kids. But I can acknowledge I was extremely lucky in that

The point on EU membership is that we could have adopted a Norway style approach. The Tory government was a minority government and the option was there but ignored.

Regstding it’s all old people more in the 45 bracket voted leave and it’s pretty split in the 35 to 44 bracket.

The main age bracket voting to remain was 18 to 24 - hardly the most experienced in the country

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The point on EU membership is that we could have adopted a Norway style approach. The Tory government was a minority government and the option was there but ignored.

Regstding it’s all old people more in the 45 bracket voted leave and it’s pretty split in the 35 to 44 bracket.

The main age bracket voting to remain was 18 to 24 - hardly the most experienced in the country

The Norway option was massively lambasted though, as I stated there was red lines in freedom of movement and certain criteria. We were better off being in with our opt outs.

regardless of experience, it was still the biggest surrender of benefits in exchange for… sovereignty largely voted by generations above millennials and Gen Z

 

[Grendel]

The Norway option was massively lambasted though, as I stated there was red lines in freedom of movement and certain criteria. We were better off being in with our opt outs.

regardless of experience, it was still the biggest surrender of benefits in exchange for… sovereignty largely voted by generations above millennials and Gen Z

We voted out and the remains attempt to rewrite the democratic vote means we are where we are

 

[MalcSB]

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Well it’s not - it’s the generation that overwhelmingly voted Conservative and the generation that overwhelmingly voted for Brexit.

The consequence of those actions have ultimately led to the detriments of younger people.

Ah, diddums.

 

[PVA]

We voted out and the remains attempt to rewrite the democratic vote means we are where we are

lol

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Is this really a thing a lot of people do? I can't recall a single person in my office every bringing in a Starbucks let alone every day. They're also seeing a huge slump in sales.

Not sure if this is actually a genuine thing a significant number of people do or just something that has been made up.

We voted out and the remains attempt to rewrite the democratic vote means we are where we are

Never under estimate the cost of the covid expense for the UK government of the day.
I believe the figure was 400billion. To put this into context the so called austerity period was "designed" to save a mere 40billion.
Labour bang on about Conservative mismanagement of the economy but they wished to lock down harder & for longer. They probably would have racked up even more debt over the period
The economy has been destroyed by covid , not Brexit imo.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

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Ah, diddums.

And that reaction in a nutshell is exactly why there’s no sympathy and bitterness from younger generations.

Now they can say
Winter fuel payments? Cut down on Netflix and avocados - they’ll be then be able to afford it.

get rid of the TV - the licence is £150 a year. That’s the same as the WFP.

Never under estimate the cost of the covid expense for the UK government of the day.
I believe the figure was 400billion. To put this into context the so called austerity period was "designed" to save a mere 40billion.
Labour bang on about Conservative mismanagement of the economy but they wished to lock down harder & for longer. They probably would have racked up even more debt over the period
The economy has been destroyed by covid , not Brexit imo.

Covid is absolutely a huge part. Didn’t help with the faulty PPE companies being set up by their mates either.

Brexit has also shrunk the economy by 6% which is around 140 billion a year apparently. So Brexit has absolutely shit on the economy

 

[Grendel]

lol

oh look - I thought you hadn’t the time to be on this thread. How’s Labour doing for you?