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[Ring Of Steel]

The main age bracket voting to remain was 18 to 24 - hardly the most experienced in the country

But as we are now discovering they were the wisest.

 

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[shmmeee]

The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for a all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.

The *Remain* campaign went all or nothing?

Ah yes I remember Eddie Izzard walking the streets with a “Brexit Means Brexit” placard.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

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Ah, diddums.

and *this* is why your generation has the reputation it does. And yes I know, you don’t care.

 

[Grendel]

But as we are now discovering they were the wisest.

Are we? why?

 

[shmmeee]

Never under estimate the cost of the covid expense for the UK government of the day.
I believe the figure was 400billion. To put this into context the so called austerity period was "designed" to save a mere 40billion.
Labour bang on about Conservative mismanagement of the economy but they wished to lock down harder & for longer. They probably would have racked up even more debt over the period
The economy has been destroyed by covid , not Brexit imo.

You’re wrong. This predates both. Both have hurt us but it’s out fundamental issues around poor productivity and low growth that have been an issue since the 2008 crash.

Lockdown is a red herring. All the data shows even without official lockdown people avoided crowded places during the pandemic. All lockdown did was ensure businesses got furloughed rather than dying on their arse from lack of footfall.

 

[PVA]

oh look - I thought you hadn’t the time to be on this thread. How’s Labour doing for you?

I have plenty of time thank you. I'd just got fed up of having ridiculous arguments over things like 'Brexit is remainers' fault'.

 

[MalcSB]

And that reaction in a nutshell is exactly why there’s no sympathy and bitterness from younger generations.

Now they can say
Winter fuel payments? Cut down on Netflix and avocados - they’ll be then be able to afford it.

get rid of the TV - the licence is £150 a year. That’s the same as the WFP.



Covid is absolutely a huge part. Didn’t help with the faulty PPE companies being set up by their mates either.

Brexit has also shrunk the economy by 6% which is around 140 billion a year apparently. So Brexit has absolutely shit on the economy

You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.
Did you share all this shit with your grandad before or after he helped you buy your house?
You have and will continue to vote for what you believe in - as does everybody else. It’s called democracy.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The centrist hacks have got what they wanted and they do not like it



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[Ring Of Steel]

You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.
Did you share all this shit with your grandad before or after he helped you buy your house?
You have and will continue to vote for what you believe in - as does everybody else.

I haven’t seen anyone getting hysterical, but I have seen you come out with the most immature & pathetic response yet to all the points being put forward

 

[fernandopartridge]

The *Remain* campaign went all or nothing?

Ah yes I remember Eddie Izzard walking the streets with a “Brexit Means Brexit” placard.

Fair enough, both campaigns in general took up polarised positions and fucked it for everybody.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.
Did you share all this shit with your grandad before or after he helped you buy your house?
You have and will continue to vote for what you believe in - as does everybody else.

Yeah of course I did - but then he realised not to fall for the daily mail bullshit on immigration and voted to remain.

Also part of his reasoning to give me my deposit early. Given the problems I would
Have been facing

 

[MalcSB]

I haven’t seen anyone getting hysterical, but I have seen you come out with the most immature & pathetic response yet to all the points being put forward

So you disagree with the concept of democracy?

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah of course I did - but then he realised not to fall for the daily mail bullshit on immigration and voted to remain.

Also part of his reasoning to give me my deposit early. Given the problems I would
Have been facing

Obviously a very nice bloke.

 

[Grendel]

So you disagree with the concept of democracy?

Interesting isn’t it?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So you disagree with the concept of democracy?

what the fuck are you on about now?

“ah diddums”- embarrassing.

 

[Grendel]

I haven’t seen anyone getting hysterical, but I have seen you come out with the most immature & pathetic response yet to all the points being put forward

Oh dear. The mask is slipping.

 

[shmmeee]

Fair enough, both campaigns in general took up polarised positions and fucked it for everybody.

The blame for hard Brexit lies with the ERG for me. They pushed May out and held Johnson’s feet to the fire on it.

Why now they’re an irrelevance we still persist I don’t know.

 

[shmmeee]

So you disagree with the concept of democracy?

You mean like a government getting elected mostly by the young with a mandate to soak the asset rich and invest in the young?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Oh dear. The mask is slipping.

I agree, he was relatively reasonable up until that point, when the true colours started to show.

 

[shmmeee]

The centrist hacks have got what they wanted and they do not like it



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You need better centrist hacks

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

So you disagree with the concept of democracy?

Democracy is fine - i have to accept the results. Doesn’t mean I can’t hold the electorate accountable when things go as expected

 

[skybluetony176]

The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for an all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.

Ahh. The memories of the “out means out” chanting from the remain camp. I think they coined “we know what we voted for” and “we hold all the cards because of French cheese” phrases too.

I’m sure I must be remembering that right from your claims.

 

[Grendel]

THE TONESTER RETURNS

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ahh. The memories of the “out means out” chanting from the remain camp. I think they coined “we know what we voted for” and “we hold all the cards because of French cheese” phrases too.

I’m sure I must be remembering that right from your claims.

Hi Tony, I don't care

 

[MalcSB]

You mean like a government getting elected mostly by the young with a mandate to soak the asset rich and invest in the young?

Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.

It’s obviously working though. Everyone else who has done that Guardian budget calculator and reported it on here seem to be around £1,000 better off whereas I am a loaf of bread per month worse off.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.

It’s obviously working though. Everyone else who has done that Guardian budget calculator and reported it on here seem to be around £1,000 better off whereas I am a loaf of bread per month worse off.

I'm better off because of the NI changes brought in by the last government, this week's budget has been neutral for me.

 

[MalcSB]

I agree, he was relatively reasonable up until that point, when the true colours started to show.

Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.

I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.

The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.

Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.

They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation. I’m sure boomer students are in a minority.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.

I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.

The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.

Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.

They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation.

2.3m of them would need somewhere to live otherwise. Students often live in large halls of residence or in shared housing, what pressure are they really putting on the housing market?

 

[MalcSB]

2.3m of them would need somewhere to live otherwise. Students often live in large halls of residence or in shared housing, what pressure are they really putting on the housing market?

Just an alternate view. Your observation makes me wonder why people were moaning about residential properties being converted in to student accommodation / HMOs.

I agree that “n” would need to live somewhere other wise. Some would probably live with their parents, some would stay in their own country, most would not be concentrated in towns and cities with “universities”.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.

I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.

The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.

Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.

They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation. I’m sure boomer students are in a minority.

You really think students are the problem?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.

It’s obviously working though. Everyone else who has done that Guardian budget calculator and reported it on here seem to be around £1,000 better off whereas I am a loaf of bread per month worse off.

I'm only about £100 better off according to that calculator.

 

[Como]

Amen

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.

I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.

The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.

Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.

They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation. I’m sure boomer students are in a minority.

There has also been a lot of large student living apartments built to cater for the students and depending on who you listen to there is supposedly now an excess of student accommodation. Whether any of those HMO's will ever come back onto the market as family homes remains to be seen.

As for the issue being availability of affordable housing and starter homes being of no interest to the average boomer, the vast majority of complaints and campaigns to stop the building of such homes are by boomers, so even though they supposedly have no interest in them they seem to have a very large interest in stopping them.

 

[MalcSB]

I'm only about £100 better off according to that calculator.

Hang on to it, you will need it

”The Office for Budget Responsibility says the Chancellor’s front-loaded blast of extra day-to-day spending – 8pc over two years in real terms – will cause the economy to hit capacity constraints and overheat. The self-defeating stimulus will leak into higher inflation and higher interest rates.”

 

[MalcSB]

There has also been a lot of large student living apartments built to cater for the students and depending on who you listen to there is supposedly now an excess of student accommodation. Whether any of those HMO's will ever come back onto the market as family homes remains to be seen.

As for the issue being availability of affordable housing and starter homes being of no interest to the average boomer, the vast majority of complaints and campaigns to stop the building of such homes are by boomers, so even though they supposedly have no interest in them they seem to have a very large interest in stopping them.

TBH I have seen many, many very large scale building developments around the couple of places I have lived over the past 6 years or so and I am sure there are quite a few boomers in those areas. Obviously not terribly successful at stopping such developments.

Perhaps developers should be required to include a higher percentage of affordable starter homes in their plans.

It is quite possible that many rental properties (student or otherwise) will come back on to the market. Thing is , like the right to buy experience, once they are gone they are gone and they probably aren’t in sufficient numbers to address the issue. Their return to owner occupier status will almost certainly see rents increase.