So London needs to be more spread out and also higher density? What’s the population going to be?
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think the UK is in a massive decline.
This doesn't come down to picking sides. I think the Tories have made some absolute bombshells, but I also think Labour have already demonstrated they are capable of giving them a run for their money.
I worry about the future of this country and I fear that the current state is actually worse than many people care to admit. Having had the benefit of living in multiple countries, you get a wider perspective. If you think that's hysterical then I'm not sure what else I can say to you.
shmmeee
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Give me your top three Labour mistakes
shmmeee
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Currently London is the only city that pays its way really. If you want a reasonable wage and a decent career at any serious level your chances in London are infinitely higher currently. As such everyone wants to live near there. So prices are high.
Either we make fewer people want/need to move to London or we increase supply of housing so those that want to can. Which means higher density in the middle and more commuter belt for those that don’t want to live high density.
Either we make fewer people want/need to move to London or we increase supply of housing so those that want to can. Which means higher density in the middle and more commuter belt for those that don’t want to live high density.
skybluetony176
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I heard similar over the weekend. Something like Labour have returned more and to more countries since getting into power than the Tories did in the previous 12 months and the most since 2018. The main reason seems to be the backlog in claims being processed at a faster rate than the Tories did. If you were being cynical you’d probably think that the Tories were doing it deliberately to create the issue for political reasons. I don’t know how much it’s cost under the Labour government to return the 9800 back to their countries but I guarantee that it was better value than the 4 we sent to Rwanda for £700m. Sending 9800 failed asylum seekers home has therefore also got to be a deterrent in the first place.
I think if we want to talk about British ‘decline’ (massively overrated imo) then this issue is probably one of the key ones to address. Or at least, it’s that and the Christmas tree in Trafalgar Square.
Sky Blue Pete
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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What is the point?
If the approval ratings aren't registering, you could still pick one of many topics, such as the handling of winter fuel payments, releasing prisoners, the freebie scandal, two tier justice approaches. You would argue with every single one and say I am wrong though, so there's zero point in wasting my time.
You are too one dimensional and will be here making excuses for Labour until they're inevitably booted out in a few years time.
Let's just wait until then, and I can tell you 'I told you so' one more time.
shmmeee
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Cool. WFP I’ve done to death and at this point I’m worried what raising it will do to Malc again. TLDR: happy to accept that was a mistake. I think a mistake they were forced into but a mistake none the less.
The rest are good examples of how you’re angry at stuff that either isn’t happening or was happening anyway and you just got angry cos Labour came to power.
Releasing prisoners: Tories did this too. The reason is that our prisons are full. You literally can’t build a prison in six months in our current system. The Tories promised new supermaxes when Cameron was in charge. They never happened. They were aware of the issue and intentionally worsened it like many others when they knew they were in their way out.
Which option should they have taken:
These headlines like the Tories got last year?
England and Wales judges told not to jail criminals as prisons full – report | UK criminal justice | The Guardian
Senior judge quoted by the Times says ‘biggest concern’ over guidance is those convicted of sexual assault likely to stay on bail
Or the ones they got?
The “freebie scandal”: a great example of you being driven by the media. Literally every MP does this. Nothing illegal or untoward happened. The sums were paltry and mostly from party donors and other with no need for political influence. A complete non story.
“Two Tier Justice”: Again, no laws have changed. And in this country we have a system where politicians write the rules and judges apply them. You have again been whipped up by the media with a catchphrase and nothing to back it up.
shmmeee
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If you want a freebie scandal, the rumour of Elon Musk wanting to buy the election for Reform must be having you spitting feathers?
If you’re concerned about two tier justice I assume you want to know why the woman who threw a drink over Farage gets an assault conviction but the thousands doing it in pubs across the land each weekend get nothing? Or why JSO and XR activists get prison and farmers get Clarkson?
Oh no. Cos you’re a MSM cuck who thinks what you’re told.
If you’re concerned about two tier justice I assume you want to know why the woman who threw a drink over Farage gets an assault conviction but the thousands doing it in pubs across the land each weekend get nothing? Or why JSO and XR activists get prison and farmers get Clarkson?
Oh no. Cos you’re a MSM cuck who thinks what you’re told.
Sky Blue Pete
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Interestingly supersize prisons are then worst sort for meaningful rehabilitation to happenCool. WFP I’ve done to death and at this point I’m worried what raising it will do to Malc again. TLDR: happy to accept that was a mistake. I think a mistake they were forced into but a mistake none the less.
The rest are good examples of how you’re angry at stuff that either isn’t happening or was happening anyway and you just got angry cos Labour came to power.
Releasing prisoners: Tories did this too. The reason is that our prisons are full. You literally can’t build a prison in six months in our current system. The Tories promised new supermaxes when Cameron was in charge. They never happened. They were aware of the issue and intentionally worsened it like many others when they knew they were in their way out.
Which option should they have taken:
These headlines like the Tories got last year?
England and Wales judges told not to jail criminals as prisons full – report | UK criminal justice | The Guardian
Senior judge quoted by the Times says ‘biggest concern’ over guidance is those convicted of sexual assault likely to stay on bailamp.theguardian.com
Or the ones they got?
The “freebie scandal”: a great example of you being driven by the media. Literally every MP does this. Nothing illegal or untoward happened. The sums were paltry and mostly from party donors and other with no need for political influence. A complete non story.
“Two Tier Justice”: Again, no laws have changed. And in this country we have a system where politicians write the rules and judges apply them. You have again been whipped up by the media with a catchphrase and nothing to back it up.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Cool. WFP I’ve done to death and at this point I’m worried what raising it will do to Malc again. TLDR: happy to accept that was a mistake. I think a mistake they were forced into but a mistake none the less.
The rest are good examples of how you’re angry at stuff that either isn’t happening or was happening anyway and you just got angry cos Labour came to power.
Releasing prisoners: Tories did this too. The reason is that our prisons are full. You literally can’t build a prison in six months in our current system. The Tories promised new supermaxes when Cameron was in charge. They never happened. They were aware of the issue and intentionally worsened it like many others when they knew they were in their way out.
Which option should they have taken:
These headlines like the Tories got last year?
England and Wales judges told not to jail criminals as prisons full – report | UK criminal justice | The Guardian
Senior judge quoted by the Times says ‘biggest concern’ over guidance is those convicted of sexual assault likely to stay on bail
Or the ones they got?
The “freebie scandal”: a great example of you being driven by the media. Literally every MP does this. Nothing illegal or untoward happened. The sums were paltry and mostly from party donors and other with no need for political influence. A complete non story.
“Two Tier Justice”: Again, no laws have changed. And in this country we have a system where politicians write the rules and judges apply them. You have again been whipped up by the media with a catchphrase and nothing to back it up.
Like I said, it is pointless having a conversation with you.
I haven't even said what I think they have done wrong, just hand picked a few things that have been criticised as examples. You've turned it into a checklist and gone 'yeah but you are just angry', or 'the Tories did this too' - yes, I am well aware and have scrutinised them too. You read posts and just auto-filter on what triggers you and then go to town on the keyboard without reading the important parts.
Honestly mate, log off for a bit and go and find something to do that is better for the soul.
shmmeee
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Did you even read it? Do you need some drawings or for it to be self published on Amazon?
Address the points man. Don’t be such a weak ass.
Let’s focus on one: releasing prisoners. Which choice would you have made? The one the Tories did I assume? You’d have had sexual predators kept on bail?
You’re scared to discuss it because your thoughts don’t go further than what you’ve read on Twitter this week.
I think it’s time we opened our minds to the possibility that there is……a third tier
SBAndy
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Piss easy to disagree with a policy. Bit more challenging to come up with an alternative that alleviates the issue.
chiefdave
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I would agree with this tbh. I think for years now the country has been going to shit but there's been a huge number of people with attitudes like 'its the same everywhere' or 'its all immigrants fault' or even the complete head in the sand of 'you hate the UK' or 'move somewhere else'.
Yes pretty much every other country has issues but if you travel and look around you its eye opening. We are getting left behind fast.
And the worst part is nobody seems willing to grasp the problem. We've had 14 years of the previous doing everything the could to benefit themselves and their mates, whilst pointing the finger elsewhere, and now we have Labour tinkering around the edges.
We need a big change and nobody seems to have either the ideas or the will to do it.
Can't see things getting better. Increasingly people who have the option seem to be looking to move elsewhere. Fear in 20 years time things will look far worse than they do now.
Ring Of Steel
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I agree, but what you tend to find are the Victor Meldrew older types just trying to look after themselves & block any kind of change, and the ones blaming anything & everything on ‘illegals’. There’s no real effort to fix anything and there’s no real effort to understand what the actual issues are, because everyone is looking after themselves and/or pointing the finger at immigration or the other party.
It’s all too partisan too, some people even on here are on one hand on the football side saying Lampard needs time as he inherited a shitshow, but yet also intimating on this side that Labour are failing & should be booted out, after only being in charge for the blink of an eye compared to the last lot who were in charge for years
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No, let's not focus on anything. I have said many times that the Tories have behaved abhorrently and they deserve to be out of office. I also think the petition to get Starmer out is ridiculous as well. You don't have to blindly support one or the other and throw logic out the window. I will call either out if it seems appropriate. Both letting prisoners out early can be challenged, like it has been by the Chief Prison Inspector of Probations which you think you know better than, as one of many examples.
Like I said, it is pointless to discuss with you any further as you are right and everybody else is wrong, or scared, or a weak ass. Even when people vote against you, they are the issue, not the people representing them.
Once again, you seem desperate to have an argument over politics that you are just making shit up that isn't there, and you are also taking it a bit far with the insults and reference to my book as well.
The whole world does not revolve around a politics thread on a Coventry City forum. Log off and go outside.
chiefdave
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Sky Blue Pete
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He’s wrong on that
shmmeee
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shmmeee
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I mean it is a fair solution…
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
This Chief Prison Inspector of Probation who says he totally understands but would like more resources for probation or is there another one?
Your emotional reaction and desperate insults tell me I’m bumping up against you capacity here. And that’s fine. But maybe shut the fuck up with the high and mighty tone and sit the fuck down?
Sky Blue Pete
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What has happened now with labour letting down their core vote
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Do you have any self awareness at all?
That gif would certainly be more appropriate after your own posts. There's a collection of them built up from this afternoon alone, including the 'sit the fuck down' comment which is frankly just odd. You aren't hard or intimidating.
In fact, you seem disturbed, and you are acting like you are struggling with some deep issues at the moment. It isn't normal behaviour to get this angry over nothing.
Your political hero's are getting some just criticism and their approval ratings are in the floor. You need to find a way to deal with it.
I'll leave you to it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But when you liberalise planning you don't get communities. The developers don't make anything building infrastructure and services, hence they don't do it and why it has to be written into law to make them do it (though even then it seems most of the time they get let off on some technicality)
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Hence why I said boundaries should be made to be hedges - all the ecological and social benefits you mention with far less of the downsides of whacking great big trees in the middle of an area designated for walking.
And the trees are of somewhat limited use for biodiversity because they aren't connected to each other, so while some animals etc can move between them many others can't. We need a massive rethink on how we design green and blue spaces in built up areas so they create corridors, not islands.
shmmeee
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And they do now? You liberalise so that you don’t have to rely on the kindness of large developers.
No 1 itunes downloads. No1 Amazon downloads. No 1 global singles charts so played once on Capital radio last week(starmer edited out of lyrics and Artist name censored). No surprise not mentioned on BBC or plays and nowhere on official UK charts(67 actually).
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I said it rarely happens now. I just fail to see how liberalising planning laws will result in communities with all the amenities - who is going to build them by choice when there's no money in it? Unless liberalise means let them do it cheap and shoddy and I don't see how that's better.