Do you want to discuss boring politics? (35 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

What do you think councillors are doing exactly? Cackling with glee that people with learning disabilities are losing funding.



No. The Tories avoided most of these issues. That’s why they’re still there.

What is the government doing about it? You said they were reparing public services?

 

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[RegTheDonk]

Says Lee Anderson who has had more parties than most of us have had in our lifetimes lol

That's probably true on 50p Pete, but she is doing a massive U-turn on what she actually said to camera. "...we will compensate them for the money they've lost".

 

[SBT]

The hysteria is ludicrous. People need to get a grip. All Labour have done so far is take decisions any government will have had to. The complete lack of understanding those whining have shown is astounding quite frankly.

Even if I don’t disagree with you, surely at some stage you have to concede that an overarching message of “You’re too dumb to understand we’re helping you” isn’t going to make it easier to pull the levers of government.

 

[Grendel]

Even if I don’t disagree with you, surely at some stage you have to concede that an overarching message of “You’re too dumb to understand we’re helping you” isn’t going to make it easier to pull the levers of government.

Reeves is going around acting like thatcher on steroids - the messaging is dire.

The press are claiming 100 may rebel against the waspi decision. I doubt in the end they’ll have the guts but like a lot of northern Tory MPs in the last government they will know that they are going to lose their job in 4.5 years if this carries on

 

[wingy]

This was a cock up from the Blair government I assume?

 

[shmmeee]

Even if I don’t disagree with you, surely at some stage you have to concede that an overarching message of “You’re too dumb to understand we’re helping you” isn’t going to make it easier to pull the levers of government.

I honestly don’t care. I’m not a Labour spokesman (insert joke here), I’m tired of the immediate chicken littleing of people who should know better.

Reform will probably get in. That’s the culture these days. It’ll be a laugh. It’ll be a change. I’ll be damned if I won’t go down being a snarky twat.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That's probably true on 50p Pete, but she is doing a massive U-turn on what she actually said to camera. "...we will compensate them for the money they've lost".

Oh yeah of course
However it’s £10bn
If it was socialist labour having a go I’d say ok as it’s Anderson and reform who don’t give a shit about social justice and equity they can stick it to their arse

 

[Grendel]

Oh yeah of course
However it’s £10bn
If it was socialist labour having a go I’d say ok as it’s Anderson and reform who don’t give a shit about social justice and equity they can stick it to their arse

It’s still missing the point. It’s also not £10 billion now.

The fact is Labour opposed the tories not paying this. They have also gone harder than the tories in scrapping the WFA

Reeves will also have to row back on the pension IHT change unless she wants to alienate pretty much everyone outside the public sector.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh yeah of course
However it’s £10bn
If it was socialist labour having a go I’d say ok as it’s Anderson and reform who don’t give a shit about social justice and equity they can stick it to their arse

What a ridiculous position. You either believe politicians should be true to their word or you don't.

 

[fernandopartridge]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What a ridiculous position. You either believe politicians should be true to their word or you don't.

It’s not my position

 

[shmmeee]

Oh yeah of course
However it’s £10bn
If it was socialist labour having a go I’d say ok as it’s Anderson and reform who don’t give a shit about social justice and equity they can stick it to their arse

Socialism is some people getting compensation when their benefits change because they’re well connected but not others who aren’t.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Socialism is some people getting compensation when their benefits change because they’re well connected but not others who aren’t.

Socialism isn't selectively deciding on benefits according to a perception of somebody's existing wealth

 

[duffer]

Socialism is some people getting compensation when their benefits change because they’re well connected but not others who aren’t.

Fuck me, is this a variation of the "Gregg" defence. It's only middle class women of a certain age that are complaining?

It seems like your definition of people who will suffer under WFA cuts, or who have suffered under WASPI is strictly limited to what Starmer tells you and based on opinion rather than inconvenient facts.

 

[Grendel]

Why is @Sky Blue Pete liking these increasingly deranged posts by Shmmeee

 

[Grendel]

Socialism is some people getting compensation when their benefits change because they’re well connected but not others who aren’t.

 

[wingy]

He's a Male?

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck me, is this a variation of the "Gregg" defence. It's only middle class women of a certain age that are complaining?

It seems like your definition of people who will suffer under WFA cuts, or who have suffered under WASPI is strictly limited to what Starmer tells you and based on opinion rather than inconvenient facts.

Explain why these particular people in receipt of benefits should be compensated when they change and those for example in receipt of Universal Credit or PIP shouldn’t.

Explain what should be cut to enable us to pay everyone over a given age regardless of wealth £300 every year.

You are arguing for cutting services to give relatively well off people free money that other, arguably more deserving people don’t get. And you’re doing it because those affected yes include a lot of the middle class media class and can get coverage for their “plight” while people on their arse of working age get nothing.

 

[wingy]

So this goes back to the era of John Major with a Nurse from Hampshire who wanted to work on rather than retire leading to all women having to work 5 yrs more, now 6 and soon to be 7 , somebody's getting it if it's not going to these people unless someone can do the sums on working age population v retirees.
Figure out, how did it start,the contributions would have existed from the inception of it so where did they find money from and what has diminished it so , I'm going to have a guess, remember serps, earnings related?

 

[shmmeee]

So this goes back to the era of John Major with a Nurse from Hampshire who wanted to work on rather than retire leading to all women having to work 5 yrs more, now 6 and soon to be 7 , somebody's getting it if it's not going to these people unless someone can do the sums on working age population v retirees.
Figure out, how did it start,the contributions would have existed from the inception of it so where did they find money from and what has diminished it so , I'm going to have a guess, remember serps, earnings related?

4.1 workers to a pensioner in 1960, 3.6 now.

 

[fernandopartridge]

These stupid bastards should understand better the decisions a government has to make

 

[wingy]

4.1 workers to a pensioner in 1960, 3.6 now.

0.5 reduction then in 80 yrs 12.5 % or an increase in pensioners ,guess it's the latter with all the health benefits around, just paid the blood scandal victims,soon liable for post office.
A bad time to get elected really!

 

[shmmeee]

0.5 reduction then in 80 yrs 12.5 % or an increase in pensioners ,guess it's the latter with all the health benefits around, just paid the blood scandal victims,soon liable for post office.
A bad time to get elected really!

People living longer and a lower birth rate too. Projected to be 2.5 by 2070 I think.

So much crap was stored up. We called it on this very thread before the election. The first budget was always going to be tough. Combined with the media throwing a fit they’ve not had a chance. Still let’s elect Reform who want to cut all spending by 5%, I’m sure that will lead to bumper pay outs for all

 

[Ian1779]

Good to see Starmer has the political acumen of a Twix in appointing a nonce facilitator to his ambassador squad.

Labour veteran Peter Mandelson says US ambassador job an 'honour'

 

[fernandopartridge]

Good to see Starmer has the political acumen of a Twix in appointing a nonce facilitator to his ambassador squad.

Labour veteran Peter Mandelson says US ambassador job an 'honour'

He's good mates with Trump from the Epstein days at least

 

[chiefdave]

 

[fernandopartridge]

Staggered? It's probably the least surprising political story of the year. There was never going to be a scenario where the public were won over by Starmer's charisma or political instincts. God knows who they're lining up as successor. Reeves, Cooper or Streeting

 

[Grendel]

Staggered? It's probably the least surprising political story of the year. There was never going to be a scenario where the public were won over by Starmer's charisma or political instincts. God knows who they're lining up as successor. Reeves, Cooper or Streeting

How about David “Trump gave me a second portion of chicken” Lammy?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Would he not aye?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just bizarre in the context of the prison crowding situation

 

[chiefdave]

Just from reading the headline it's bizarre but the actual details make it even worse.

Last month she was released early under a home curfew scheme. But the electronic tag was too large for her wrist – so she’s been told there’s no alternative but a return to jail.

Out of interest how many farmers who blocked traffic were arrested? Tried to google it but can't find anything.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

Just from reading the headline it's bizarre but the actual details make it even worse.

Out of interest how many farmers who blocked traffic were arrested? Tried to google it but can't find anything.

 

[Mcbean]

The farmers did not block any road they worked with the Met police on purpose - they did close the road past the Cenotaph but vehicles were routed past as normal fir any parade

 

[MalcSB]

These stupid bastards should understand better the decisions a government has to make

its another cock up from a fundamentally incompetentleaership. they have had long enough in opposition to have thought about this sort of stuff and have observed the backlash when Tories did similar.
quite a big let don and disappointment for many of you I suspect/ And If IM right about that, given you guys are core support, no prospect of a second term either. So, water they fit to achieve of the milestone will b got for quite som time if not for ever.

 

[MalcSB]

Socialism isn't selectively deciding on benefits according to a perception of somebody's existing wealth

confirming that what is happening now is not socialism?