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wingy

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Lidl baked beans are ok and a lot cheaper than Heinz.
Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
 

Captain Dart

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How does a tin of baked beans costing £1.40 benefit someone with physical assets?
It's rich people who tend to benefit, not people shopping at Aldi for low cost beans.🤭
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MalcSB

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Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
I think fine fare were taken over in the 1980’s and a lot of their shops rebranded as Gateway who were then taken over by Asda.
 

MalcSB

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It's rich people who tend to benefit, not people shopping at Aldi for low cost beans.🤭
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So lots of paper benefits then, not all tangible ones. Hardly makes inflation effectively a tax.

Inflation will lead to increased tax revenues for, for example, VAT returns on higher prices. Inflation is not a tax in itself.
 
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Ian1779

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More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
It’s alright, Darren Jones and Rachel Reeves said they can just pop out and get a Saturday job.
 

rob9872

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So lots of paper benefits then, not all tangible ones. Hardly makes inflation effectively a tax.

Inflation will lead to increased tax revenues for, for example, VAT returns on higher prices. Inflation is not a tax in itself.

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Doesn't quite fit the same.
 

rob9872

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Lib Dem or green? Got to be up there with the worst choices of all time. Both are absolutely useless
Tbf I don't think we'll ever know but unless we get proportional representation (which the main two will never agree to as it serves them so well) then we'll never know. I'd say pointless more than useless. Reform might be polar opposite, but they are similar.

I think there will be more that deflect to all three of these in the next election if things continue as they are, but not enough to translate into many more seats.
 

MalcSB

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Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
I think fine fare were taken over in the 1980’s and a lot of their shops rebranded as Gateway who were then taken over by Asda.
 

Captain Dart

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Has anyone ever voted Lib Dem with any understanding or commitment to their ideology? Do they have one?
I am not 100% sure but I think it involves bungee jumping and zumba dancing.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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I don't know what that tells us, other than that having drugs sold illegally leads to sh*t like this. If the bloke was released a month later would he have been less likely to do what he did?

I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.

Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.
 

chiefdave

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I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.
Without the benefit of hindsight who would you have preferred to let out? I'm sure nobody would advocate for releasing people convicted of serious crimes to free up space so you're left with people like this who were inside for having a punch up.

Its not Minority Report where they know what offences are taking place in advance. Unless people think reoffending rates are zero what's the solution, keep everyone inside forever?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Without the benefit of hindsight who would you have preferred to let out? I'm sure nobody would advocate for releasing people convicted of serious crimes to free up space so you're left with people like this who were inside for having a punch up.

Its not Minority Report where they know what offences are taking place in advance. Unless people think reoffending rates are zero what's the solution, keep everyone inside forever?

You're not seriously trying to argue that this was a good decision are you?

Someone let out literally killed someone the same day, which is surely evidence enough that they shouldn't have been on the streets.

Minority Report is some serious mental gymnastics. Come on ffs.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.

Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.
I am no fan of Starmer, but not having enough physical space in prisons months after taking office was not his doing. My own preference would be reduced sentences or fines for non violent offenders and longer sentences for violent criminals.
 

mmttww

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Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.

I'm just not convinced that the date the bloke was released is what determined whether or not he was going to re-offend. I could get into a chat about prison and drugs making the whole thing largely a waste of time but it's too sunny out for that.
 
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chiefdave

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You're not seriously trying to argue that this was a good decision are you?

Someone let out literally killed someone the same day, which is surely evidence enough that they shouldn't have been on the streets.

Minority Report is some serious mental gymnastics. Come on ffs.
I'm not arguing its good or bad.

What criteria would you apply to decide who to release?

Are you suggesting he would not have re-offended if he'd been released a few days / weeks later?
 

Sbarcher

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More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
Not disputing the numbers, but this means that 30% live in poverty. Seems pretty high to me unless poverty means not having an iphone or a Play Station.
 

fernandopartridge

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Not disputing the numbers, but this means that 30% live in poverty. Seems pretty high to me unless poverty means not having an iphone or a Play Station.

Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
 

Sbarcher

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Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
Fair point. I just don't know what the term "poverty" really means these days.

I'm an old fart from old fart stock!
My great grandfather was killed by a sniper 2 weeks before the end of WW1. My great grandma was left to bring up 6 small children on her own before any sign of a welfare state. She lived in a small rented cottage in Norfolk and did 2 cleaning jobs and with a small hand out from her parish council managed to keep the family together.
We have come a long way from those days (thank God), but often think nowadays we don't know what real poverty is.

A timely quote my old dad used to make - if ever there's another war, they'll have to dig the old'uns up.
 

chiefdave

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Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
Couple of our clients at work employ hundreds of minimum wage, zero hours contract staff. They're all required to have smart phones to access work related things and the company will not provide them. Stuff like apps that show work rotas, authentication apps for logging on to work systems etc.

Should really be supplied by the business if its a requirement but the reality is if you haven't got a phone you aren't getting the job.
 

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