robbiekeane
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Are you going to answer my question?
Are you going to answer my question?They've earned more money this year than they had last year, that's clear to see!
We’ve got to forget about the the SISU thing.
JJ definitely isn'tWe’ve got to forget about the the SISU thing.
They’re not going to sell up and they’re not going to put money into the club, we are where we’re at with the money the club makes.
That being said, I’d hazard a bet in saying the likes of McNulty, Doyle, McDonald, Willis, Grimmer, JCH, Andreu and Jones are possibly amongst the highest paid players in the league. We should be doing much better then we are, with the budget we have
We've spent £125k to loan JCH. How many other league 2 teams could afford to do that?
I'm still waiting for someone to quote this 8th highest budget thing.
Who is?I think a lot of people confuse turnover for budget. Yes it’s probably been a decent (for recent history anyway) twelve months of turnover when you consider Wembley windfall, incoming transfer fees, decent cup run etc. but don’t be suckered into thinking a linier amount of this translates into the playing budget.
Don't forget the young lad to MU too.
I've seen this £125k figure on a few threads now' Has this figure been released officially, or is it just something someone has made up that people have decided to buy into? If there is anything to this I suspect it is more likely that this is his wages that we have taken over, rather than a fee to his club, but even then it would seem a little on the high side.
Who is?
Tell them not too please. Might put the team off in 20 years time!Lets fucking hope not eh......cos at this rate, my kids grandkids will still be protesting against sisu.....
Really? Is there any concrete proof to that “fact”?We've spent £125k to loan JCH. How many other league 2 teams could afford to do that?
I'm still waiting for someone to quote this 8th highest budget thing.
Don't quote me on this but I had a look at the last 2-3 seasons and posted on here that we appeared to be running at 50%.Lots of people. People I talk to at the game, people on the phone in and on here. This thread is coming from that angle. How many times have you heard it said that if X club only gets 3k gates why can’t we beat them. It’s all saying in one way or another that we sell 7k tickets for home games therefore we must have a budget bigger than club X as they only sell 3k. The assumption is it’s linier. It doesn’t have to be. Even if you take the SCMP calculation it still doesn’t mean that our budget is linier to that. For starters it’s just a calculation it’s not something that owners are contractually obligated to meat in the form of a playing budget. Some clubs will surpass their SCMP calculation because they have owners investing in the club to overcome it, others like us won’t. Then some clubs have additional costs that eat into the SCMP calculation, servicing debt for instance, someone has already pointed out that we have to put £600k into the academy every year which will eat into our budget. Then you have to factor in that we’re run at cost neutral. Wouldn’t be surprised if SISU hold a portion of our potentially available budget back as a contingency fund against unforeseen costs so the don’t have to invest to avoid penalties for surpassing the SCMP calculation. After all Cup runs, transfer fees and Wembley finals are by no means a given.
That’s my point. They don’t care, they’re not investing and the club is sensibly operating on a break even budget.Don't agree with that at all. We have owners who don't care about the club. This cant fail to filter down in some capacity...
That’s my point. They don’t care, they’re not investing and the club is sensibly operating on a break even budget.
We need the fans to return and provide a bigger budget if we want better. But it’s chicken and egg. The team need to perform and entertain, whilst the club need better players.
Don't quote me on this but I had a look at the last 2-3 seasons and posted on here that we appeared to be running at 50%.
However I may have been doing something wrong.
They do.No if the club is at an impasse then the owners have to prime the pump, I know its ancient history now but isn't that what Derek Robins did to start the 'Sky Blue revolution' under Jimmy Hill, the principles still apply do they not.
Doesn't really matter, our turnover is much higher, probably double most clubs, so even if for example Accrington Stanley had a turnover of £2.5m (I think that's what OSB quoted earlier), than if they use 60% (£1.5m) that's still dwarfed by 50% of our £4.5-5.5m turn over (£2.25-2.75m).If it is 50% I wonder how that compares to other clubs in league 2?
There were a couple of quotes from TFIf it is 50% I wonder how that compares to other clubs in league 2?
There were a couple of quotes from TF
Maybe Mowbrays first season where it was said to be around £2-8M.
Following season around £2-3M.
Without digging it out it may have equated to around 45% of turover ,there may have been good reason ie ;- running the academy for example.
They do.
You could of course argue that they primed the pump when they first came in... and gates still kept going down!
But that was so 2008.
The owners don’t have to do anything, they don’t care - we’re seen as a business and we’ll run at break even.No if the club is at an impasse then the owners have to prime the pump, I know its ancient history now but isn't that what Derek Robins did to start the 'Sky Blue revolution' under Jimmy Hill, the principles still apply do they not.
The owners don’t have to do anything, they don’t care - we’re seen as a business and we’ll run at break even.
Derek Robins probably lost millions. But it was different then. The game has changed, football clubs are businesses first and foremost now
What’s the incentive to prime the pump given that our fan base is apathetic and hostile towards them?
As I said we can spend what we make, they couldn’t care less what we as a football club do as long as it doesn’t lose money.
Our budget is bigger than most clubs in this league, it’s how it’s been spent is the biggest issue here
The owners don’t have to do anything, they don’t care - we’re seen as a business and we’ll run at break even.
Derek Robins probably lost millions. But it was different then. The game has changed, football clubs are businesses first and foremost now
What’s the incentive to prime the pump given that our fan base is apathetic and hostile towards them?
As I said we can spend what we make, they couldn’t care less what we as a football club do as long as it doesn’t lose money.
Our budget is bigger than most clubs in this league, it’s how it’s been spent is the biggest issue here
This always seems to come back to the basic question of how our budget compares with the rest of the division but no one seems to know the answer!
We’ve signed 15 players, 11 on permanent contracts, and most of which experienced professionals in this league and/or the league above. The budget can’t be that small!
Get that. But it still works on the presumption that Accrington’s owners aren’t pumping money in to increase their playing budget. Or any other club in the league for that matter with lower gates. Maybe all clubs in this league are operating at cost neutral same as us but I doubt it.Doesn't really matter, our turnover is much higher, probably double most clubs, so even if for example Accrington Stanley had a turnover of £2.5m (I think that's what OSB quoted earlier), than if they use 60% (£1.5m) that's still dwarfed by 50% of our £4.5-5.5m turn over (£2.25-2.75m).
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Agreed, but is it in the top half of budgets in this division, top 8, top 3? If it's a top 3 budget then we're definitely underperforming but if it's top half/top 8 then maybe it's a bit less clear?
We’ve signed 15 players, 11 on permanent contracts, and most of which experienced professionals in this league and/or the league above. The budget can’t be that small!
Yes and no.Football clubs are not businesses
I'd be more confident about next season than I have been for a while, as much because we either already have the players, or we'll get cash for them if they go.This year I was more confident of success given that we had actually signed players rather than loaned.
I’d be much more inclined to agree with you had Jones and Andreu got season ending injuries. Whilst it’s true every team has to deal with injuries, two ACL’s to key players before Xmas? That’s very unlucky, and both are midfielders with goals in them, and coincidently, an area we’re struggling in atm.
There are shortcomings in other areas, but I think we’ve brought in the right personnel and we just need to refine the squad for next year, whether it’s a renewed promotion charge in L2, or consolidation in L1.
Forgetting where we are in the league pyramid for a moment, and what the budget actually is as this cpounts for most clubs in existence really...I would be interested to see how we did with a fully fit squad that we had now with a year together playing.
Did we? Thought it was more like 12? Which is about average for the league.
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