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[fernandopartridge]

Fuck off you racist twat

Whoosh you twat

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[skyblueinBaku]

Returning to a football issue, you would wonder about Joy's version of being a Christian. How can she justify her unethical dealings with our club and employing Fisher who is a blatant liar.

I can only assume that her church is on the lunatic fringe of Christianity.

 

[mark82]

Yes, I do know the context as I have a box set of Father Ted.

Just today my wife and I were both abused by someone shouting "Chinks" while we were on our way to hospital. It seems ok to shout racist abuse against Chinese who have done nothing against UK citizens. But if someone points out the obvious fascism within Islam, they are labelled a racist. Previously I have been shouted down on here for pointing out that Islam is a fascist ideology. People in the UK need to get real and understand that foreigners are not the enemy unless they happen to be extremist Muslims.

Neither of those things are OK. Obviously you think racists are wrong unless it's your racist views. Just can't get my head around your quote. For someone who has seemingly been a victim of this kind of thing you'd think you would know how this kind of bigotry feels.

Apologies if I understand wrong but your post sounds awfully like you are saying all Muslim's are fascist extremists.

 

[covcity4life]

Lool dont be racist ubless you racist about people i agree with ha

Just dont be assholes. If religious great. If not great.

The end

 

[singers_pore]

Neither of those things are OK. Obviously you think racists are wrong unless it's your racist views. Just can't get my head around your quote. For someone who has seemingly been a victim of this kind of thing you'd think you would know how this kind of bigotry feels. Apologies if I understand wrong but your post sounds awfully like you are saying all Muslim's are fascist extremists.

First of all Islam is not a race, it's a religion. Therefore criticism of Islam is not racism. In the same way that criticism of Christianity is not racism. It's a healthy distrust of religion, particularly when it is practiced in an extremist format.

Second, I never said that all Muslims are fascists. I said that Islam is a fascist ideology. What's the difference? Well, not all Germans in the 1930s were fascists. But Nazism was a fascist ideology. Do you get it now?

Finally I have two friends who received death threats simply because they chose to leave Islam. That's what I call bigotry and that bigotry is legitimized by the "holy" texts of Islam.

 

[Brylowes]

First of all Islam is not a race, it's a religion. Therefore criticism of Islam is not racism. In the same way that criticism of Christianity is not racism. It's a healthy distrust of religion, particularly when it is practiced in an extremist format.

Second, I never said that all Muslims are fascists. I said that Islam is a fascist ideology. What's the difference? Well, not all Germans in the 1930s were fascists. But Nazism was a fascist ideology. Do you get it now?

Finally I have two friends who received death threats simply because they chose to leave Islam. That's what I call bigotry and that bigotry is legitimized by the "holy" texts of Islam.

Good and bad in every Race, good and bad in every Religion, how can you pick up An entire Ideology
and label it Fascist, attitude's like this create fear, mistrust and ultimately nothing good.
In these times of uncertainty and increasing hostility, we need more tolerance of one another's beliefs,
Not less.

 

[mark82]

First of all Islam is not a race, it's a religion. Therefore criticism of Islam is not racism. In the same way that criticism of Christianity is not racism. It's a healthy distrust of religion, particularly when it is practiced in an extremist format.

Second, I never said that all Muslims are fascists. I said that Islam is a fascist ideology. What's the difference? Well, not all Germans in the 1930s were fascists. But Nazism was a fascist ideology. Do you get it now?

Finally I have two friends who received death threats simply because they chose to leave Islam. That's what I call bigotry and that bigotry is legitimized by the "holy" texts of Islam.

There's nothing to get. Your views are offensive. Call them whatever you like if it makes you feel better. Still despicable.

Saying violence is legitimised in the Quran is lazy. Assume you've just found some out of context quotes on your favourite Islamaphobe website. What happened to your friends is wrong and against the teachings of Islam. It's like any religion, if you choose to twist it you can legitimise all sorts of despicable behaviour, it's happened throughout history with Christianity - which I assume you think is a violent religion too.

For what it's worth, I'm not a fan of religion. I don't believe in a God or any other mystical being. The majority of wars throughout history have been as a result of the misinterpretation of religious teachings and that is what is happening with Islam. People with sick intentions are misinterpreting to suit their own sick agenda - killing people who are different.



Why We Know Islam Isn’t a Religion of Violence

If Islam Is a Religion of Violence, So Is Christianity

 

[Astute]

Religion. What a subject.

You can have a debate on who believes their religion is the most peace loving, but by the end of the debate they feel like killing each other. I love having a religious debate. You can even have two people of the same religion who disagree with each other.

Me? I am happy with my own beliefs. And I am happy for others to believe what they want. But it can be a very dangerous subject.

 

[singers_pore]

how can you pick up An entire Ideology
and label it Fascist,

According to that logic the entire ideology of Nazism cannot be labeled as Fascist which clearly is stupid.

And before you say that Islam cannot be compared to Nazism, please note that the Koran contains more anti Semitic passages than Hitler's Mein Kampf. You need to read the Koran and Hadith before reaching an informed conclusion. And yes I have read them, along with Mein Kampf. Both are hateful and do not belong in a civilized society.

 

[singers_pore]

There's nothing to get. Your views are offensive. Call them whatever you like if it makes you feel better. Still despicable.

My views are offensive? Really? I would have thought you would be more offended by a religion whose holy texts advocate:
1. Execution of homosexuals
2. Execution of apostates and atheists
3. The genocide of Jews
4. The denial of basic human rights to women (e.g., a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man, a daughter gets to inherit half what a son does).

Saying violence is legitimised in the Quran is lazy.

Not it's not. It's based on my reading of the Koran and Hadiths (I suspect you haven't read them). It's also based on the experiences of my ex-Muslim friends who have been threatened with murder due to their decision to leave the faith. It's also based on my life experience half of which has involved working and living in Asia, including two Muslim countries. Let's be honest, you just don't have that kind of knowledge do you?

What happened to your friends is wrong and against the teachings of Islam.

Yes it's wrong. No it's not against the teachings of Islam (assuming that "Islam" is based upon what is written in the Koran, where it clearly states that apostates should be murdered). This is not just a theoretical possibility. Many apostates have been murdered this year in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Bangladesh. BTW, I am not claiming that every Muslim country executes apostates, nor am I claiming that every Muslim believes apostates should be murdered. I am simply pointing out that the Koran supports their murder and hardline Muslims are acting upon those passages in the Koran.

Assume you've just found some out of context quotes on your favourite Islamaphobe website.

No my opinions are based on a reading of the Koran, the hadiths, my experiences in Muslim countries, and the stories relayed to me by former Muslims. In fact, one of my friends, Hashim Almadani has a youtube site where he talks about these issues. Hashim is an Iraqi who lived in Baghdad during the US invasion and who now lives in Barcelona (he supports Barca).

This would be a good place to start where Hashim talks about the spread of extremist Islamist doctrine in the Middle East:

It's like any religion, if you choose to twist it you can legitimise all sorts of despicable behaviour, it's happened throughout history with Christianity - which I assume you think is a violent religion too.

Christianity was extremely violent a few centuries ago. I agree with you if you are comparing Islam today with where Christianity was centuries ago during the inquisitions.

People with sick intentions are misinterpreting to suit their own sick agenda - killing people who are different.

It's not a misinterpretation though. And you would know that if you actually read the Koran or if you listened to people like Hashim Almadani or Ayaan Hirsi Ali (among many others). I would like to know your qualifications for interpreting the Koran as you seem to know what the correct interpretation ought to be.

Why We Know Islam Isn’t a Religion of Violence.

The final sentence of that article says that Islam is BOTH a religion of violence and a religion of peace. Which kind of contradicts the title which claims that Islam is NOT a religion of violence. You might want to actually read the articles before posting them.

If Islam Is a Religion of Violence, So Is Christianity.

That's true, especially if you are referring to Christianity as it was a few centuries ago. Hopefully Islam can go through the same kind of reformation that Christianity went through. However, that's unlikely if politicians adopt the same attitude as you that Islam does not need a reformation.

 

[Astute]

As I said. What a subject.............

 

[mark82]

OK, this has gone a bit far. This is supposed to be a football forum. Let's draw a line under it and move on. Will close this thread as it's way off topic now. More than happy to continue the debate in the off topic area if you create a thread.