Ellis simms (15 Viewers)

[Jimmy87]

Don't think anyone was suggesting it was Ellis Simms fault we conceded 3 mate but some of those more culpable today had an off day.

With Sims it seems to be a regular occurrence.

And yes, Wright was por, but he still has the numbers which Sims doesn't.

I really want him to do well, as I want all our players to do well, (andI think a look at my posting history show that),but how long do you give them some of these players?

Sims has been poor nearly all season.

No, i was agreeing with Mucca when he said he is not the reason we conceded 3. Came across wrong.

Wright is inconsistent, he always has been, all you have to do is look back through multiple threads from this season and last. Yes, he has absolutely great games (Sunderland being the last for example), but if we are going to scrutinise a £3.5m player, who is here to develop and receive coaching, then surely we can question why a £7.7m, older player, is also as inconsistent.
That was a question asked around me today, and i think it's very reasonable.

Simms has not produced like he has last year, granted he's been playing through / managing an injury and fair play to him for pushing through it and wanting to play, but yes it's a fact he hasn't got to where he'd want to be.
However i also know what they have worked on in training for when Simms is playing the CF role, and as far as i'm aware he's doing exactly what has been asked of him.
Rudoni touched on it in his interview after WBA, they work on Simms dragging the players away and the midfielders and wingers arriving behind. He does the dirty work, i can name 5 occasions off the top of my head where his pressing and chasing lost causes has ended in a goal for us or himself. I'm sure there are more.

Gyokeres didn't start off the best, but he was coached well over a couple of seasons, and eventually came out firing. Simms is a different player to Gyokeres obviously, but the point is, he will come good. Last season shows he has it.

 

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[Cally Fedora]

The point is Wright was as poor as Simms was today. But generally he does things Simms is a million miles away from doing and is by far our best attacker. That’s not Simms fault, it’s just how it is. The gap between 3.5m Simms and 7.7m Wright is a lot more than that price difference.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No, i was agreeing with Mucca when he said he is not the reason we conceded 3. Came across wrong.

Wright is inconsistent, he always has been, all you have to do is look back through multiple threads from this season and last. Yes, he has absolutely great games (Sunderland being the last for example), but if we are going to scrutinise a £3.5m player, who is here to develop and receive coaching, then surely we can question why a £7.7m, older player, is also as inconsistent.
That was a question asked around me today, and i think it's very reasonable.

Simms has not produced like he has last year, granted he's been playing through / managing an injury and fair play to him for pushing through it and wanting to play, but yes it's a fact he hasn't got to where he'd want to be.
However i also know what they have worked on in training for when Simms is playing the CF role, and as far as i'm aware he's doing exactly what has been asked of him.
Rudoni touched on it in his interview after WBA, they work on Simms dragging the players away and the midfielders and wingers arriving behind. He does the dirty work, i can name 5 occasions off the top of my head where his pressing and chasing lost causes has ended in a goal for us or himself. I'm sure there are more.

Gyokeres didn't start off the best, but he was coached well over a couple of seasons, and eventually came out firing. Simms is a different player to Gyokeres obviously, but the point is, he will come good. Last season shows he has it.

I feel that Simms is following the gameplan but I'm pretty sure the training doesn't include controlling a ball so it goes 30ft and you lose possession.

 

[Jimmy87]

I feel that Simms is following the gameplan but I'm pretty sure the training doesn't include controlling a ball so it goes 30ft and you lose possession.

Sometimes his first touch is poor, sometimes it's fine. Exactly the same can be said for Wright.
Same goes for Rudoni, Sheaf, MVE, etc. They all have multiple poor first touches per game, i saw loads today. It's just over exaggerated when it's Simms because he's the boo boy.

 

[Evo1883]

Sometimes his first touch is poor, sometimes it's fine. Exactly the same can be said for Wright.
Same goes for Rudoni, Sheaf, MVE, etc. They all have multiple poor first touches per game, i saw loads today. It's just over exaggerated when it's Simms because he's the boo boy.

I'm not entirely sure you can compare the 1st touch of ellis to anybody else in our team tbh , maybe the kit man

 

[Diogenes]

Simms has the worst ball control skills I've ever seen on a professional footballer. 95% of the time the ball will bounce off him. It's like chucking a golf ball at a lamppost.

He can improve with coaching but no way that can be coached into him by now.

And tbf Wright on his bad days isn't much better. The tripping over the ball today I the penalty area as a prime example.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Sometimes his first touch is poor, sometimes it's fine. Exactly the same can be said for Wright.
Same goes for Rudoni, Sheaf, MVE, etc. They all have multiple poor first touches per game, i saw loads today. It's just over exaggerated when it's Simms because he's the boo boy.

Of course everyone can miscontrol a football.

But with Simms he fails to do it so often it seems more than that. His attempts to cushion a ball are laughable.

 

[Jimmy87]

Of course everyone can miscontrol a football.

But with Simms he fails to do it so often it seems more than that. His attempts to cushion a ball are laughable.

Each to their own. Like i said, sometimes his touch is poor sometimes his knock ons and bringing it down is fine. Same can be said for Wright. I see it multiple times a game from different players, but none bother me more than the other because if they were all to be brilliant, we'd be watching premier league class players.

 

[PVA]

He does have such strange (bad) technique.

He's at his best when running the channels and using his pace and strength.

His holdup play is largely dreadful and any attempt to play the ball into him usually results in us losing possession.

 

[TewkesburySkyBlue]

Get rid

 

[Grendel]

Agreed. Iit’s also a reoccurring theme that Haji is also missing big chances and our chance creation has took a nosedive in the last few games.

If Simms had missed some big chances, I’d be a lot more accepting of the finger pointing. He wasn’t the reason why we conceded 3 goals today.

Something just isn’t right about the way we approach away games and specifically against the bottom 6. That’s 2 points from a possible 21 and most of those games Lampard has been in charge for.

Simms was massively culpable for the first goal.

 

[eyesee]

wright was shocking today. scored, but missed a handful of good chances.
shame, he's one of my fave players. but had a stinker.

 

[Grendel]

wright was shocking today. scored, but missed a handful of good chances.
shame, he's one of my fave players. but had a stinker.

He still was miles ahead of simms in terms of contribution - and always will be

 

[Ashdown]

The thing that most annoyed me about Simms today was his pathetic concern for their big defender when he caught him….what a fucking pussy….tap in on the shoulder and move on you wet fart. One of theirs could have crippled Allen , did he look bothered ….no . He’s obviously a nice guy but not a winner ….bye bye !

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Some absolute bullshit in this thread.

Know idea why fans have to pick out certain players to be scapegoats for our defeats.

Ellis Simms is a real bloody handful, the amount of work he gets through every match chasing lost causes and making runs (which often gets unrewarded) is often missed.

Yes he hasn’t scored the goals but he definitely would have scored the two open net headers that Hadji has had the last two games.

Yet Wright seems to avoid the same negative attention that Simms gets.


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[steve cooper]

Wright has a MPG of 147 according to the stats, the best in the championship.

 

[Evo1883]

Some absolute bullshit in this thread.

Know idea why fans have to pick out certain players to be scapegoats for our defeats.

Ellis Simms is a real bloody handful, the amount of work he gets through every match chasing lost causes and making runs (which often gets unrewarded) is often missed.

Yes he hasn’t scored the goals but he definitely would have scored the two open net headers that Hadji has had the last two games.

Yet Wright seems to avoid the same negative attention that Simms gets.


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In fairness wright has scored 5 goals in his last 7 games , ellis 6 in his last 47 .

Sure wright has bad games but we are talking about a player who everybody said once he starts matches will score and the reality is that hes just not a goalscorer

There's no bullshit

 

[Matt smith]

In fairness wright has scored 5 goals in his last 7 games , ellis 6 in his last 47 .

Sure wright has bad games but we are talking about a player who everybody said once he starts matches will score and the reality is that hes just not a goalscorer

There's no bullshit

If wright was fit for the whole season he’d be the top scorer in the league, or damn close

 

[eyesee]

not sure how anyone can defend anyones performance today. we were shit to a man.
fucking diabolical.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No, i was agreeing with Mucca when he said he is not the reason we conceded 3. Came across wrong.

Wright is inconsistent, he always has been, all you have to do is look back through multiple threads from this season and last. Yes, he has absolutely great games (Sunderland being the last for example), but if we are going to scrutinise a £3.5m player, who is here to develop and receive coaching, then surely we can question why a £7.7m, older player, is also as inconsistent.
That was a question asked around me today, and i think it's very reasonable.

Simms has not produced like he has last year, granted he's been playing through / managing an injury and fair play to him for pushing through it and wanting to play, but yes it's a fact he hasn't got to where he'd want to be.
However i also know what they have worked on in training for when Simms is playing the CF role, and as far as i'm aware he's doing exactly what has been asked of him.
Rudoni touched on it in his interview after WBA, they work on Simms dragging the players away and the midfielders and wingers arriving behind. He does the dirty work, i can name 5 occasions off the top of my head where his pressing and chasing lost causes has ended in a goal for us or himself. I'm sure there are more.

Gyokeres didn't start off the best, but he was coached well over a couple of seasons, and eventually came out firing. Simms is a different player to Gyokeres obviously, but the point is, he will come good. Last season shows he has it.

I can’t put my finger on it exactly, but we look a better team with Simms playing even if he hasn’t been great individually. He does occupy defenders better than Haji and that creates space for players like Rudoni, Wright and Paterson (see Pompey winner).

It’s good to know he’s doing what the coaching team have asked of him and you’re quite right to ask a question of Haji. The last 2 away games he’s had the lions share of our xG. Today, he had a point blank header at 3-1 and it was a meek effort straight at the keeper when all he had to do was put it anywhere else. If Haji scores that, it’s 3-2 with about 20-30 minutes left and they start panicking to maybe catch an equaliser.

Haji on his day is a league leading player but today and against Hull, he missed good chances to score goals. If it was Simms, the knives would be out.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He still was miles ahead of simms in terms of contribution - and always will be

Yes, but did Wright miss a gilt edge opportunity to bring us back in the game? He also missed a big chance against Hull at 0-0.

Ironically, last season Simms scored more open play goals and in more games than Wright (excluding penalties). I’m confident Simms will regain form.

 

[Evo1883]

Yes, but did Wright miss a gilt edge opportunity to bring us back in the game? He also missed a big chance against Hull at 0-0.

Ironically, last season Simms scored more open play goals and in more games than Wright (excluding penalties). I’m confident Simms will regain form.

Simms plays through the middle every game .. Wright doesnt

Haji has 28 goals and 8 assists in 69 league games , mostly off the left

 

[fernandopartridge]

Sakamoto gets away with being an absolute passenger away from home yet again

 

[Warwickhunt]

What I don't get is! The management team watched the first half and did fuck all to change it at half time!!! What is the definition of a lunatic? "Keep doing the same thing and expect different outcomes"

 

[Tommo1993]

All the little things he did or didn’t do last season were hidden by the fact he was scoring goals at a half decent rate. Now those goals have dried up those little things he’s not really doing are just too noticeable. 100% a confidence player, but he’s just not doing it.

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

No, i was agreeing with Mucca when he said he is not the reason we conceded 3. Came across wrong.

Wright is inconsistent, he always has been, all you have to do is look back through multiple threads from this season and last. Yes, he has absolutely great games (Sunderland being the last for example), but if we are going to scrutinise a £3.5m player, who is here to develop and receive coaching, then surely we can question why a £7.7m, older player, is also as inconsistent.
That was a question asked around me today, and i think it's very reasonable.

Simms has not produced like he has last year, granted he's been playing through / managing an injury and fair play to him for pushing through it and wanting to play, but yes it's a fact he hasn't got to where he'd want to be.
However i also know what they have worked on in training for when Simms is playing the CF role, and as far as i'm aware he's doing exactly what has been asked of him.
Rudoni touched on it in his interview after WBA, they work on Simms dragging the players away and the midfielders and wingers arriving behind. He does the dirty work, i can name 5 occasions off the top of my head where his pressing and chasing lost causes has ended in a goal for us or himself. I'm sure there are more.

Gyokeres didn't start off the best, but he was coached well over a couple of seasons, and eventually came out firing. Simms is a different player to Gyokeres obviously, but the point is, he will come good. Last season shows he has it.

Simms is shit pal, 12 games without a goal. Let's not forget his last goal 12 games ago, he got 4 goals in about 7 games and this was off the back of going 14 games without a goal, all this season.


Absolutely fucking atrocious, I don't care if he does well, I care about my club doing well mate.

The fact of the matter is currently 12 games without a goal and in the same fucking season he has beaten that with 14 games without a goal.

Let another club give him 10 grand a week to do absolutely fuck all, let Robins try and nurture a fucking 25 year old man, enough of this shite "he's young" absolute nonsense.

Collins, Binks, Asante, Simms and anyone else that offers nothing needs shifting, it's as simple as that.

What is our objective? Is it to feel sorry for a fucking grown man on 10 grand a week that can't hold up a ball, has no first touch, is shocking in the air and just about everything else or is it to get promoted?

Because the last time I checked it was to get promoted.

These players don't give 1 single fuck about you or me, just ask Hamer, O'Hare, Gyokeres and the rest of those that packed up their bags and chipped.

So don't feel sorry for fucking Simms, Collins or any of them.

Football is ruthless, it's dog eat dog and for that and that alone, Simms., Collins, Binks, Asante, Joel all need long darting to the nearest 15th in the Championship level of a club, because they can't cut it at this level, and it's that simple.

 

[Evo1883]

He has a worse goal per minute ratio at championship level than Matty godden ( who played in a team that survived and then finished mid table ) ... argue amongst yourselves

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Simms is shit pal, 12 games without a goal. Let's not forget his last goal 12 games ago, he got 4 goals in about 7 games and this was off the back of going 14 games without a goal, all this season.


Absolutely fucking atrocious, I don't care if he does well, I care about my club doing well mate.

The fact of the matter is currently 12 games without a goal and in the same fucking season he has beaten that with 14 games without a goal.

Let another club give him 10 grand a week to do absolutely fuck all, let Robins try and nurture a fucking 25 year old man, enough of this shite "he's young" absolute nonsense.

Collins, Binks, Asante, Simms and anyone else that offers nothing needs shifting, it's as simple as that.

What is our objective? Is it to feel sorry for a fucking grown man on 10 grand a week that can't hold up a ball, has no first touch, is shocking in the air and just about everything else or is it to get promoted?

Because the last time I checked it was to get promoted.

These players don't give 1 single fuck about you or me, just ask Hamer, O'Hare, Gyokeres and the rest of those that packed up their bags and chipped.

So don't feel sorry for fucking Simms, Collins or any of them.

Football is ruthless, it's dog eat dog and for that and that alone, Simms., Collins, Binks, Asante, Joel all need long darting to the nearest 15th in the Championship level of a club, because they can't cut it at this level, and it's that simple.

Think Simms is on a lot more than 10 k a week.

 

[Evo1883]

Think Simms is on a lot more than 10 k a week.

Must be nearer 20

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

Think Simms is on a lot more than 10 k a week.

mate please don't. Can tell I'm fucking raging as it is

 

[SBT]

Sakamoto gets away with being an absolute passenger away from home yet again

Who else are you going to play there?

 

[fatso]

I can’t put my finger on it exactly, but we look a better team with Simms playing even if he hasn’t been great individually. He does occupy defenders better than Haji and that creates space for players like Rudoni, Wright and Paterson (see Pompey winner).

It’s good to know he’s doing what the coaching team have asked of him and you’re quite right to ask a question of Haji. The last 2 away games he’s had the lions share of our xG. Today, he had a point blank header at 3-1 and it was a meek effort straight at the keeper when all he had to do was put it anywhere else. If Haji scores that, it’s 3-2 with about 20-30 minutes left and they start panicking to maybe catch an equaliser.

Haji on his day is a league leading player but today and against Hull, he missed good chances to score goals. If it was Simms, the knives would be out.

Simms wouldn't even be in a position to miss chances.
His movement and anticipation is woeful.
Let's be brutally honest, he's only playing due to injuries and a lack of options.

 

[Jimmy87]

I can’t put my finger on it exactly, but we look a better team with Simms playing even if he hasn’t been great individually. He does occupy defenders better than Haji and that creates space for players like Rudoni, Wright and Paterson (see Pompey winner).

It’s good to know he’s doing what the coaching team have asked of him and you’re quite right to ask a question of Haji. The last 2 away games he’s had the lions share of our xG. Today, he had a point blank header at 3-1 and it was a meek effort straight at the keeper when all he had to do was put it anywhere else. If Haji scores that, it’s 3-2 with about 20-30 minutes left and they start panicking to maybe catch an equaliser.

Haji on his day is a league leading player but today and against Hull, he missed good chances to score goals. If it was Simms, the knives would be out.

No you're right, we do look better with Simms in the side. Just need to look at the stats of games he's started since Lampard came in and how many we've won.

When i found out he was playing with an injury about half way through that initial 10 game run, which took us back up towards play offs, i heard they were trying to find a way of managing the way he plays, as obviously we were without Wright and EMC, BTA was also playing with injury and so was Eccles. BTA eventually succumbed to his. Simms was our only real proper no.9, he wanted to do what he could to play. He's not really had a break since then, he did sit out once Wright came back, but now EMC is injured again. We've only won one where Wright has started as CF, so they obviously have a dilemma on their hands.
I think to a certain extent, the way they've used Simms is really good, he does occupy, he chases the lost causes and he presses like he's being asked to, allowing others to arrive and score the goals, but when it doesn't go our way, he's the scapegoat.

Doesn't bother me to be honest as i know what's been asked of him, and i know he's giving it his all despite managing a recurring injury.
What i find amusing is the constant comparison to Wright, who cost considerably more, who for arguments sake, should therefore be giving us more consistency.
Doesn't matter that Wright's first touch is often poor, because apparently Simms is worse.
Doesn't matter that Wright misses free headers, because he scores more than Simms. (would hope so for £7.7m no?)
We are including his penalties and tap ins for agenda purposes, but Simms' goals from last year don't count apparently, because of who they were scored against. Highly amusing.

True. the knives come out readily for Simms, that won't change.

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

12 goals without a goal at the min and he beat that record earlier this season by going 14 games without a goal.

Ellis Simms is fucking shit.

 

[Tommo1993]

No you're right, we do look better with Simms in the side. Just need to look at the stats of games he's started since Lampard came in and how many we've won.

When i found out he was playing with an injury about half way through that initial 10 game run, which took us back up towards play offs, i heard they were trying to find a way of managing the way he plays, as obviously we were without Wright and EMC, BTA was also playing with injury and so was Eccles. BTA eventually succumbed to his. Simms was our only real proper no.9, he wanted to do what he could to play. He's not really had a break since then, he did sit out once Wright came back, but now EMC is injured again. We've only won one where Wright has started as CF, so they obviously have a dilemma on their hands.
I think to a certain extent, the way they've used Simms is really good, he does occupy, he chases the lost causes and he presses like he's being asked to, allowing others to arrive and score the goals, but when it doesn't go our way, he's the scapegoat.

Doesn't bother me to be honest as i know what's been asked of him, and i know he's giving it his all despite managing a recurring injury.
What i find amusing is the constant comparison to Wright, who cost considerably more, who for arguments sake, should therefore be giving us more consistency.
Doesn't matter that Wright's first touch is often poor, because apparently Simms is worse.
Doesn't matter that Wright misses free headers, because he scores more than Simms. (would hope so for £7.7m no?)
We are including his penalties and tap ins for agenda purposes, but Simms' goals from last year don't count apparently, because of who they were scored against. Highly amusing.

True. the knives come out readily for Simms, that won't change.

Think we overpaid for both Simms and Wright, but I’ll probably get pelters for the latter.