Ellis simms (1 Viewer)

[Grendel]

He started 8/12 under Robins, including 6 of the first 7. Then 1 of Lampard's first 7. It was Lampard's obsession with Bassette that was mind boggling.

He was poor under Robins though with zero awareness and ineffective

Lampard said the coaching team have been doing a lot of work with him and it’s showing.

I doubt he’d have even chased down the ball for the second goal a few weeks ago

 

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[Ricketts]

Ive been looking at the Owls forum for amusement. They said if they had Simms they would’ve won 4-0.
(they also said his disallowed goal should have stood, and neither of their shouts were penalties)

 

[Londonccfcfan]

He played well. I find criticism of him yesterday quite odd to be honest with you.

Find it unbelievable tbh.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It’s amazing watching the retconning in real time. Every report says they battered us, every stat says they battered us, the match thread says they battered us, yet we’ve got people claiming it was a close game and a draw would have been fair or best of all that Lampard set us up to defend that way as part of his plan.

The xG was basically even which shows that they had a lot of shots but didn’t really create big chances. It was a typical away day performance where we conceded lots of chances and relied on hitting them on the counter.

Both second half goals relied on a dose of good fortune.

 

[shmmeee]

The xG was basically even which shows that they had a lot of shots but didn’t really create big chances. It was a typical away day performance where we conceded lots of chances and relied on hitting them on the counter.

Both second half goals relied on a dose of good fortune.

More than half our xG was Simms winner with 0.87. They created twice as many big chances as us.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Ah apologies , I will just go along with the falsehood that we witnessed R9 levels yesterday

No you just gotta admit that a few weeks you was saying you dont see him scoring goals or contributing much ti the teams performance.

Hes been feeding off scraps and somehow created chances out of lost causes when we as a team we been woefull and couldnt string 3 passes together yesterday all match. Hes held the ball up very well something that no one else can do at the club. Haji Wright isnt a target man.

Few weeks you were pulling up stats that how much better you thought Asante was, which was statistically proven to be not true.

 

[Evo1883]

No you just gotta admit that a few weeks you was saying you dont see him scoring goals or contributing much ti the teams performance.

Hes been feeding off scraps and somehow created chances out of lost causes when we as a team we been woefull and couldnt string 3 passes together yesterday all match. Hes held the ball up very well something that no one else can do at the club. Haji Wright isnt a target man.

Few weeks you were pulling up stats that how much better you thought Asante was, which was statistically proven to be not true.

If you can show my posts saying asante is a better player than Ellis simms , then I would appreciate that .. cheers

 

[Londonccfcfan]

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Worth noting that strikers in general don’t have great aerial duel numbers, but Simms’ are second only to Haji’s, and he does twice as well as Norm or BTA.

Generally the biggest centre back is always going to mark the opppsition target man.

Most times id back any or most centre backs over a duel with astriker. Unless you are a keifer Moore or Crouch type.

Thats just common sense.

Probably a reason why big centre backs score more from.direct cornerd than strikers do.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

More than half our xG was Simms winner with 0.87.

Exactly… Their keeper also kept out Sakamoto’s header that was a good opportunity also.

Sheffield Wednesday had 11 shots with 0.77 xG which leads into the argument that they didn’t really trouble us that much.

We were a lot more efficient than they were.

 

[ccfcchris]

Did Ellis do a slight Harry Kane celebration for his first goal.

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly… Their keeper also kept out Sakamoto’s header that was a good opportunity also.

Sheffield Wednesday had 11 shots with 0.77 xG which leads into the argument that they didn’t really trouble us that much.

We were a lot more efficient than they were.

What do you mean exactly? We have two big chances and put one away. They had four and put none away. Aside from anything else did you watch the game?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What do you mean exactly? We have two big chances and put one away. They had four and put none away. Aside from anything else did you watch the game?

Fuck me the way you’re going on youd have thought we lost 3-0

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck me the way you’re going on youd have thought we lost 3-0

Argue with Opta

 

[Evo1883]

Fuck me the way you’re going on youd have thought we lost 3-0

What's he saying wrong exactly ?

 

[shmmeee]

What's he saying wrong exactly ?

It’s not what. Its who.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What's he saying wrong exactly ?

Who cares we’ve just won 2-1 away from home against a play off rival and all we are doing is slagging players off

 

[Evo1883]

Who cares we’ve just won 2-1 away from home against a play off rival and all we are doing is slagging players off

We are just discussing the game and how people played

 

[torchomatic]

Not true, have you forgotten he was dropped earlier this season in favour of Bassette?

When he returned he was far more active and is now back to bullying defenders.
He definitely wasn't doing that before he was dropped.

Loss of form, which every players suffers from in his career. Saying he isn't giving 100% is lazy nonsense. A stick for fans to beat a player with.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Simms is much more effective in a 2 up top.
I'm no great fan of BTA but his manic movement more than keeps one CB occupied which gives Simms a lot more freedom.

 

[ceetee]

Exactly. Theres barely an interview goes by where Lampard doesnt reference how good Wright is. He will be back starting as soon as he is able to

That's right, except there's perhaps less pressure now to rush him back too soon

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Simms is much more effective in a 2 up top.
I'm no great fan of BTA but his manic movement more than keeps one CB occupied which gives Simms a lot more freedom.

Did last season not happen? Scored 19 goals playing as a lone striker.

He is an effective striker when he gets consistent game time.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Did last season not happen? Scored 19 goals playing as a lone striker.

He is an effective striker when he gets consistent game time.

Well he's been ineffective as a lone striker this season. Do you disagree?

 

[covcity4life]

What is everyone arguing about?

We won a massive away game Vs a rival despite not playing well.

Our striker played very well and got 2 goals but can still improve further given his attributes

Both things are promising.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Well he's been ineffective as a lone striker this season. Do you disagree?

He only really got a run of games after Norwich away so it’s a false proposition.

He’s a good striker and scores goals playing as a lone striker or in a formation with 2 strikers, it’s not a black and white situation.

 

[Evo1883]

What is everyone arguing about?

We won a massive away game Vs a rival despite not playing well.

Our striker played very well and got 2 goals but can still improve further given his attributes

Both things are promising.

Because this is a player that we can no longer discuss rationally .

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Generally as I said stats don't tend to have any player bias .

Simms wasn't winning the ball very often yesterday when going against another player , it was noticeable and generally his overall play in game is in need of much improvement.

He scored 2 goals though so really in this instance what can you say ? Won us the game

Stats can have other bias though, how do his stats yesterday compare to other championship strikers on average, I'm just curious to know.

Are his stats yesterday poor for a championship centre forward or have you just quoted stats that strikers are generally just lower in. For example for the pass completion all 4 strikers at our club are around 60% mark with Wright being highest at 68.5%.

 

[Evo1883]

Stats can have other bias though, how do his stats yesterday compare to other championship strikers on average, I'm just curious to know.

Are his stats yesterday poor for a championship centre forward or have you just quoted stats that strikers are generally just lower in. For example for the pass completion all 4 strikers at our club are around 60% mark with Wright being highest at 68.5%.

From top to bottom , haji , simms and asante

 

[Evo1883]

Simms won us the game yesterday and I gave him motm , I'd like to see him use him attributes better as I think there are still 2/3 gears to go up .. i dont think that's a bad thing to say ..

Some fans see him playing excellent every week i dont I see him as a work in progress hes nowhere near where he can be

 

[shmmeee]

Simms won us the game yesterday and I gave him motm , I'd like to see him use him attributes better as I think there are still 2/3 gears to go up .. i dont think that's a bad thing to say ..

Some fans see him playing excellent every week i dont I see him as a work in progress hes nowhere near where he can be

Think since the new year he’s kicked on and been pretty consistent in his work rate and impact. Still more to come (like the ability to trap a ball), but worth recognising the improvement I think.

 

[fatso]

Loss of form, which every players suffers from in his career. Saying he isn't giving 100% is lazy nonsense. A stick for fans to beat a player with.

Not true, a loss of form has nothing to do with a lack of effort.
The Simms we've seen of late, working the channels, battling with defenders, causing havoc in the box etc etc, was not the simms we saw earlier in the season.

The way he showed fight in the build up to his goal against Swansea is a classic example, he wasn't battling like that before he got dropped. And that's not down to form, that's down to effort.

 

[Lamps]

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Worth noting that strikers in general don’t have great aerial duel numbers, but Simms’ are second only to Haji’s, and he does twice as well as Norm or BTA.

And Lati is the best

 

[clint van damme]

Not true, a loss of form has nothing to do with a lack of effort.
The Simms we've seen of late, working the channels, battling with defenders, causing havoc in the box etc etc, was not the simms we saw earlier in the season.

The way he showed fight in the build up to his goal against Swansea is a classic example, he wasn't battling like that before he got dropped. And that's not down to form, that's down to effort.

Hard to disagree with that. And I say that as someone who spent the early season, (both this season and last season), defending him but it got to the point where it did look like he was going through the motions.

I do think he's a bit of a complex character though so imagine he takes some managing.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Not true, a loss of form has nothing to do with a lack of effort.
The Simms we've seen of late, working the channels, battling with defenders, causing havoc in the box etc etc, was not the simms we saw earlier in the season.

The way he showed fight in the build up to his goal against Swansea is a classic example, he wasn't battling like that before he got dropped. And that's not down to form, that's down to effort.

He's another who seems to be responding well to Lampard's management.
Chalk and cheese compared to his performances earlier in the season.

 

[Chris1987]

I find it strange that a player who scored a couple ,was a menace most of the afternoon and is having a bigger influence on games is being picked out for criticism when others are playing far worse . The majority of players have scope for improvement but as a Championship striker he is better than most and has had very limited supply. Quite simply if he was doing what some appear to be expecting of him he would be playing in the PL for a top side. Very unrealistic expectations sometimes

 

[Evo1883]

I find it strange that a player who scored a couple ,was a menace most of the afternoon and is having a bigger influence on games is being picked out for criticism when others are playing far worse . The majority of players have scope for improvement but as a Championship striker he is better than most and has had very limited supply. Quite simply if he was doing what some appear to be expecting of him he would be playing in the PL for a top side. Very unrealistic expectations sometimes

Hmm I'd say some players receive far more criticism and far more often by the majority of this forum

Ellis is a player that we cant discuss because everybody already thinks hes playing superbly well every week