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pusbccfc

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He won 4 out of 17 duels yesterday so hes still not using his strength and height anywhere near enough and had a 60 % pass completion rate

My definition of very good differs from other people's and his general play still needs much work but if he scores 2 goals a game whilst playing like that then hes won us the game and I'd take that every week

I gave him MOTM yesterday because his goals won us the game

I imagine those duel stats are always a little inconsistent because they wouldn't take into account fouls won? Equally the second goal is a duel with the keeper but I doubt that was given in the stats?

I agree there is more to come. Half the time I think he lacks intelligence rather than aggression. He does not always seem to know which duel is worth getting stuck into. Thankfully the he pressured the keeper with the most important one yesterday.
 
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TomRad85

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I imagine those duel stats are always a little inconsistent because they wouldn't take into account fouls won? Equally the second goal is a duel with the keeper but I doubt that was given in the stats?

I agree there is more to come. Half the time I think he lacks intelligence rather than aggression. He does not always seem to know which duel is worth getting stuck into. Thankfully the he pressured the keeper with the most important one yesterday.
Stats are interesting but they honestly they don't tell the whole story and its all becoming a bit American. Simms was great yesterday and that's coming from someone who thinks he's been disappointing this season.
I'm sure someone can dredge up a stat they tells us Latibeaudiere was anything other than complete shite but we all saw the reality.
 

Evo1883

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Stats are interesting but they honestly they don't tell the whole story and its all becoming a bit American. Simms was great yesterday and that's coming from someone who thinks he's been disappointing this season.
I'm sure someone can dredge up a stat they tells us Latibeaudiere was anything other than complete shite but we all saw the reality.

Generally as I said stats don't tend to have any player bias .

Simms wasn't winning the ball very often yesterday when going against another player , it was noticeable and generally his overall play in game is in need of much improvement.

He scored 2 goals though so really in this instance what can you say ? Won us the game
 
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TomRad85

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Generally as I said stats don't tend to have any player bias .

Simms wasn't winning the ball very often yesterday when going against another player , it was noticeable and generally his overall play in game is in need of much improvement.

He scored 2 goals though so really in this instance what can you say ? Won us the game
I just don't think football can be fully broken into individual stats like NFL and give you a complete story. Simms had very little to work with yesterday but was a real outlet. It was an excellent centre forward performance.
 

Evo1883

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I just don't think football can be fully broken into individual stats like NFL and give you a complete story. Simms had very little to work with yesterday but was a real outlet. It was an excellent centre forward performance.

What do you think he was excellent at ?
 

lord_garrincha

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There's, hopefully, 2 avenues here...

1) Lampard does not see him as the forward we need, but he continues to score at a rate that gets him near last season's haul... Then we get a decent fee.

2) Lampard has been impressed with him and, in his opinion, can only get better.

Neither is a bad one.
 

TomRad85

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And this is why stats are important because what you're saying isn't true , it's just what you feel against reality
If you say so. I think you might be in a minority on this one. As i say, I bet some dullard can drag up a stat suggesting Lati was decent. I'm kind of waiting for if actually.
 

Evo1883

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If you say so. I think you might be in a minority on this one. As i say, I bet some dullard can drag up a stat suggesting Lati was decent. I'm kind of waiting for if actually.

I asked you to tell me what simms was excellent at yesterday and you said everything .

I think it's reasonable to push back on that isn't it
 

TomRad85

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I asked you to tell me what simms was excellent at yesterday and you said everything .

I think it's reasonable to push back on that isn't it
Yes as an isolated centre forward he did everything you'd want from him. You don't agree so we'll move on. Its just football.
 

SBT

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If you say so. I think you might be in a minority on this one. As i say, I bet some dullard can drag up a stat suggesting Lati was decent. I'm kind of waiting for if actually.
All this talk of aerial duels made me look up which of our players has won the highest percentage of them this season - the answer may surprise you.
 

robbiethemole

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He won 4 out of 17 duels yesterday so hes still not using his strength and height anywhere near enough and had a 60 % pass completion rate

My definition of very good differs from other people's and his general play still needs much work but if he scores 2 goals a game whilst playing like that then hes won us the game and I'd take that every week

I gave him MOTM yesterday because his goals won us the game
Only because Iheikwe was climbing all over him and pulling his shirt for most of the game and the ref ignoring it. The first time he challenged Max Lowe he scored with a header and both other goals were because he ran off Iheikwe, who couldn’t keep up with him.
As long as he keeps getting goals, I don’t care if he drifts through games a bit, he’s paid to score however he can and that’s exactly what he’s doing.
 

Evo1883

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So as I said , 2 goals great won us the game but plenty of his game needs work and we need to lift him 2 or 3 levels .. the best striker at the club still isn't fit
 

TomRad85

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Why post here then? Just send yourself messages and reply with how smart you are.
I mean, you are literally playing the contrarian character on the forum recently and you are backing your opinions, no matter how unpopular. So i could ask the same of you but with bells on.
 
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Evo1883

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Only because Iheikwe was climbing all over him and pulling his shirt for most of the game and the ref ignoring it. The first time he challenged Max Lowe he scored with a header and both other goals were because he ran off Iheikwe, who couldn’t keep up with him.
As long as he keeps getting goals, I don’t care if he drifts through games a bit, he’s paid to score however he can and that’s exactly what he’s doing.

He's a big lad , doesn't put himself about anywhere near enough
 

shmmeee

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I mean, you are literally playing the contrarian character on the forum recently and you are backing your opinions, no matter how unpopular. So i could ask the same of you but with bell on.

Difference is I say Kitchings passing was poor, get 15 laughing emojis then post evidence that it was in fact poor. I don’t just go “I am so smart suck it losers”.
 

Evo1883

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The team were largely diabolical yesterday overall..

We scored 2 goals against the run of play and won , it happens .

Let's not bend reality on what we were watching in real time
 

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