ESB1 Surgery (2 Viewers)

[Covstu]

Are recordings made without the other persons permission usable in a grievance situation?

They can’t be ignored given the nature of the case and with a backdrop of mistrust. Working in HR I hate them but you cannot argue with what evidence can bring. If a grievance & appeal is dismissed and ignored this, it would certainly put the individual into a strong position when claiming that the business may have had a constructive move to exit them out of he business

 

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[Covstu]

I see plenty about making a case and keeping records etc.

What's the point, if it's a stressful situation just get out before it gets worse.

When I left a similar position, the MD took £200 out of my final salary for "damage" to the company vehicle. There was none, but I wasn't going to start any grievance procedure as I just needed to close that chapter and move on.

And let this twat win? It’s probably what he wants, there are too many bullies in this world and no one should have to walk away. If you choose too, make sure it’s on your terms

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

And let this twat win? It’s probably what he wants, there are too many bullies in this world and no one should have to walk away. If you choose too, make sure it’s on your terms

To him Winning is letting him ruin your life. He’ll hate it if you leave and don’t let him know he’s affected you.

 

[Mcbean]

For internal HR they can’t ignore a recording - we had an ethics hotline but the company was big enough and if you rang it I tell you they were on it !

 

[Covstu]

To him Winning is letting him ruin your life. He’ll hate it if you leave and don’t let him know he’s affected you.

He either enjoys the power or wants him to leave, I wouldn’t give him the satisfaction personally

 

[fernandopartridge]

Sorry to hear this tale.
Think you have had some good advice particularly off Eastwoodsdustman Covrock and SkyblueBazza. I have a fair amount of experience in this type of thing and would suggest not resigning at present, as I think you would have a strong legal case against the company that would in a tribunal earn you quite an amount of compensation should you leave at a later stage one you have supplied them with all the evidence.
Remember you haven’t done anything wrong, your company has a legal duty of care which at the moment your manager is failing in.

You can't take a claim to tribunal until you've worked somewhere 2 years. Great Tory reform to help the likes of this bullying c**t and the supine management.

Sorry to hear your of your grief Earlsdon. I'd echo what others have said, move on and take your revenge later if you want to.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Thanks for everyone's advice.

I have previously recorded certain incidents and do have an account of everything that has happened with dates etc.

I've been scared to say too much because of what my boss said regarding how I'd lose if it was him versus me. I've been kept in my probation period as a result of this guy slandering me at every opportunity which has made it even harder for me to say anything without any protection.

As I mentioned earlier, one of the other managers backed me up and took my side on it all. As it happens this guy has just been made the manager of my department (well deserved). I've had a bit of a chat with him already and it sounds as if he's going to keep this guy out the way of our team whilst also sorting my probation out.

It isn't the world cup final win, but it's a start. As some have said themselves, I find it hard to back down and let this guy get away with what he's done. If I'm going down then you can be sure as shit he's coming with me.

Whenever anything significant happens I'll update this thread, but thanks again for all the support!

 

[Houchens Head]

ESB1: Have you heard of "Constructive Dismissal"? It's a legal term used in Industrial Tribunals. My missus worked for the T&G in Coventry and went to court on numerous occasions. She never lost a case. For your information:...….
Constructive dismissal
Constructive dismissal is when you’re forced to leave your job against your will because of your employer’s conduct.
The reasons you leave your job must be serious, for example, they:
Don’t pay you or suddenly demote you for no reason
Force you to accept unreasonable changes to how you work - eg tell you to work night shifts when your contract is only for day work
Let other employees harass or bully you
Your employer’s breach of contract may be one serious incident or a series of incidents that are serious when taken together.
You should try and sort any issues out by speaking to your employer to solve the dispute.
Just remember, if you do decide to leave, seek legal advice on claiming through an Industrial Tribunal and using Constructive Dismissal as the reason for you having to leave. Best wishes and good luck.

 

[Grendel]

ESB1: Have you heard of "Constructive Dismissal"? It's a legal term used in Industrial Tribunals. My missus worked for the T&G in Coventry and went to court on numerous occasions. She never lost a case. For your information:...….
Constructive dismissal
Constructive dismissal is when you’re forced to leave your job against your will because of your employer’s conduct.
The reasons you leave your job must be serious, for example, they:
Don’t pay you or suddenly demote you for no reason
Force you to accept unreasonable changes to how you work - eg tell you to work night shifts when your contract is only for day work
Let other employees harass or bully you
Your employer’s breach of contract may be one serious incident or a series of incidents that are serious when taken together.
You should try and sort any issues out by speaking to your employer to solve the dispute.
Just remember, if you do decide to leave, seek legal advice on claiming through an Industrial Tribunal and using Constructive Dismissal as the reason for you having to leave. Best wishes and good luck.

He’s been there less than 2 years

 

[covcity4life]

Be a nob like you are on here. Will make him uncomfortable

And go HR. They will shit themselves and he csnt do shit

 

[hill83]

I’m always wary going to HR. Never forget they are there for the company not you.

 

[Grendel]

I’m always wary going to HR. Never forget they are there for the company not you.

Correct I know people who discussed unofficial grievances in confidence with HR and they just wandered off to the manager who was complained about and told them

 

[clint van damme]

I’m always wary going to HR. Never forget they are there for the company not you.

the current HR department in the company I'm currently working, (though not for a great deal longer), are the biggest bunch of bullshitters and chancers I've ever encountered.

I trust where ever you're working ESB that the ones you're dealing with are more competent though it's a low bar.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Correct I know people who discussed unofficial grievances in confidence with HR and they just wandered off to the manager who was complained about and told them

That's why it is best done or backed by email stating 'in confidence'...can be used later as evidence if needed

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[Covkid1968#]

Not read all the responses but recording and documenting evidence is the key.

Then you take it to your line manager and ask him what action he is prepared to take to address your concerns and if it’s the answer he’s given already then you thank him and tell him you do not find his response helpful or acceptable and you will refer it to his manager with a view to involving HR.

Always works at my place

 

[Nick]

I’m always wary going to HR. Never forget they are there for the company not you.

Plus snitches get ditches.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I’m always wary going to HR. Never forget they are there for the company not you.

Yes. It isn't supposed to be the case but they usually staff HR departments with useful idiots

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Plus snitches get ditches.

Ditches? Stitches

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So...

About two weeks ago after holding onto my probation period for a year they decided to fire me based on 'technical reasons'.

Total bunch of cunts but to be honest I'm just glad to be out of there. To make things worse my marriage has all but fallen apart, and I'm sure the job had a massive part to play.

If there is any silver lining I am currently at Stansted Airport about to fly off to Asia for a few months. Wish me luck!

 

[clint van damme]

So...

About two weeks ago after holding onto my probation period for a year they decided to fire me based on 'technical reasons'.

Total bunch of cunts but to be honest I'm just glad to be out of there. To make things worse my marriage has all but fallen apart, and I'm sure the job had a massive part to play.

If there is any silver lining I am currently at Stansted Airport about to fly off to Asia for a few months. Wish me luck!

Good luck ESB.
Work or pleasure in Asia and which part you going to?

 

[Nick]

So...

About two weeks ago after holding onto my probation period for a year they decided to fire me based on 'technical reasons'.

Total bunch of cunts but to be honest I'm just glad to be out of there. To make things worse my marriage has all but fallen apart, and I'm sure the job had a massive part to play.

If there is any silver lining I am currently at Stansted Airport about to fly off to Asia for a few months. Wish me luck!

Sorry to hear it, hope the reacharound with the ladyboy makes you feel better!

Genuinely though, good luck!

 

[vow]

So...

About two weeks ago after holding onto my probation period for a year they decided to fire me based on 'technical reasons'.

Total bunch of cunts but to be honest I'm just glad to be out of there. To make things worse my marriage has all but fallen apart, and I'm sure the job had a massive part to play.

If there is any silver lining I am currently at Stansted Airport about to fly off to Asia for a few months. Wish me luck!

All the best ESB1!

Sorry to hear about your marriage and job to a certain degree too.

Hope you can relax/go mental and have a great time, stress free.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Good luck ESB.
Work or pleasure in Asia and which part you going to?

Thanks mate.

I'm in Hamburg now, then onto Vietnam and Bali (where my mate manages a backpackers hostel).

If anything else, it'll be carnage!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Sorry to hear it, hope the reacharound with the ladyboy makes you feel better!

Genuinely though, good luck!

Haha, thanks.

Remember, it's only gay if you touch the balls.

 

[covcity4life]

lot of asians in asia bro, not sure ur thing

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

lot of asians in asia bro, not sure ur thing

Fuck sake. Such a nob!

 

[RegTheDonk]

Sorry it went pear shaped Earsldon. Fuck the job, you can get another...just try and sort out your marriage. If you still love her, its worth the effort.