Using history as a measure at international level is completely irrelevant because squads are totally different tournament to tournamentI guess I'm saying that we've played one game in this tournament, which is way too early to be putting us above anyone really, and if we use history then we're miles away from your Hollands, Spains etc.
Not just a Southgate thing though is it. I went through this with a friend the other day this is our record since beating Argentina in 2002
Beat
Denmark
Croatia x2
Paraguay
Trinidad and Tobago
Ecuador
Slovenia
Ukraine
Sweden x2
Wales
Tunisia
Panama
Colombia
Switzerland x2
In that time we’ve lost to
Brazil
France
Portugal x 2
Germany
Italy x2
Uruguay
Iceland
Belgium x2
Croatia
Holland
We don’t beat top tier nations
Holland are a really erratic side, they didn’t qualify for the World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016, yet everyone accepts them as challengers.I guess I'm saying that we've played one game in this tournament, which is way too early to be putting us above anyone really, and if we use history then we're miles away from your Hollands, Spains etc.
Using history as a measure at international level is completely irrelevant because squads are totally different tournament to tournament
Holland are a really erratic side, they didn’t qualify for the World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016, yet everyone accepts them as challengers.
But thats the same for every other team, not just us.
And we are the only major footballing nation on earth to have never got to a final since 1966. Actually is that right? Uruguay & Belgium? But their combined populations are less than London.
With Virgil they seemed to be on an upward trend , since his injury a bit dodgy at the back.
He's a defender that can actually defend , shock horror in 2021
They’re a better side than England now.Do you class Belgium as a major footballing nation ?
Pre 10 years ago they were always or mostly shite
I'm sure we've beat Spain and lost to Spain in that time.Not just a Southgate thing though is it. I went through this with a friend the other day this is our record since beating Argentina in 2002
Beat
Denmark
Croatia x2
Paraguay
Trinidad and Tobago
Ecuador
Slovenia
Ukraine
Sweden x2
Wales
Tunisia
Panama
Colombia
Switzerland x2
In that time we’ve lost to
Brazil
France
Portugal x 2
Germany
Italy x2
Uruguay
Iceland
Belgium x2
Croatia
Holland
We don’t beat top tier nations
They’re a better side than England now.
Got the dates mixed up, World Cup 2018. Point is I always find that annoying.With Virgil they seemed to be on an upward trend , since his injury a bit dodgy at the back.
He's a defender that can actually defend , shock horror in 2021
not since 2002 in a tournament.I'm sure we've beat Spain and lost to Spain in that time.
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I'm not going to disagree but let me put it this way.
England have done nothing since 1966- zilch, nothing. Not a single tournament victory, not even a final. No other serious European nation has a record as bad as us, we don't even have any serious rivalry thats reciprocated aside from Scotland. We are not seen as a threat.
So yeah- great result today and I'll be cheering them on all the way, but lets see how it goes before we start saying we've got a fantastic squad- we've seen it all before and its time to deliver now, lets leave the crowing until we can back it up.
Depends what you call the tournament part. I was counting the semis and final 4 team partYeah we beat Spain 3-2 in the Nations League, were 3-0 up after half an hour
Liking Nigel de Jong as a pundit.
Better than the dross that was on for the Macedonia game.
Again in what tournament since 2002? I’d call the league stage the qualifiers. The 4 team finals part we lost to HollandAnd we've beat Belgium.
In fact your list is shite
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I think we’ll win if we get to the semis. Being at Wembley is a massive advantage
the crunch (if we win the group) is that we play France in the quarters - if they win their group obviously.
This kind of psychology is something that’s held us back as a footballing nation. Spain also had a drought similar to ours before they dominated between 2008-2012.
Most of this group of players have experienced a semi-final at a major tournament, and they’ve gotten the penalty shootout monkey off of our back.
The last generation of England players let us down, this is a new crop of players and the atmosphere around the England camp genuinely seems to be different!
We have a lot of reason to be optimistic whereas between 2012-2018 we were kidding ourselves in believing we could compete with the best.
2002 was the chance. Blew it against Brazil by backing off at 1-0. We’d have beaten Turkey and GermanyWe should have won in 2006, that was our year. We had Terry, Ferdinand, Cole (both of them), Campbell, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Rooney. Thats on Sven for not turning them into a team.
We should have won in 2006, that was our year. We had Terry, Ferdinand, Cole (both of them), Campbell, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Rooney. Thats on Sven for not turning them into a team.
It's france I worry about playing , In my life I can only ever remember us beating France 2 or 3 times since 84 .
We should have won in 2006, that was our year. We had Terry, Ferdinand, Cole (both of them), Campbell, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Rooney. Thats on Sven for not turning them into a team.
Portugal dumped us out 2 tournaments on the trot. Snide bastards
Exactly, we couldn’t move away from 4-4-2 and we never really had
Even in 2010, we had one of the best qualification records and had a brilliant team. Ferdinand and Lampard have spoke of the culture in the England camp with that generation. Southgate has put a lot of effort into building a different culture.
Southgate is proving to be a very good international manager even if he is no Pep Guardiola.
Who would you get in who’d be capable?I must be honest, I find Southgates England to be quite boring to watch, he's slowly moulded us into his image and it's often frustrating.
If he fails this tournament we have to move him on
Who would you get in who’d be capable?
Does Rupert take the Andrex into the forest?
Kinell mate, no need to get craptic.Does Rupert take the Andrex into the forest?
Who would you get in who’d be capable?
Is he though ? What has he actually achieved .
Is there many England managers in the last 30 years who would have struggled to get us to that semi final in 2018 with those players and that draw ?
The route was almost too easy
He gets way too much credit for that , and not enough stick for his tactical fuck ups against Croatia and then Holland in the nations league
We lost 3 matches in the 2018 world Cup , we were bang average
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