Evo1883
Well-Known Member
If the money is right
If the money is rightHe’d surely never take it
Finishing second would be a better outcome in truth
It's always the same star men for the club's and on paper that English team should be challenging for major honours every tournament especially with how they piss through the qualifying campaigns and then flatter to deceive in the actual tournament. But all is not lost there is talent there they might click as the tournament goes onAren't most of them
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If the money is right
Highest ranked English manager is Dean Smith I think?
Something to try and cheer you all up a bit. Even 1990 and 1996 had stinkers apparently.
This was as dispiriting as it gets for England, but here's why all is not lost
England's drab draw with Scotland was their most disappointing performance in five years but it is not time to give up hope yetwww.telegraph.co.uk
Nor did Portugal in the last Euros did they? Think they drew them all.Best example was Italy in 1982 World Cup they didn’t win a single game in the first group stage
In other countries, their managers get the chance to fail, without their reputation being irreparably damaged, too. We decide one bad effort and that's it, you're scarred for life.I know it’s seen as old fashioned, but unless you’re complete minnows, international teams shouldn’t be having foreign managers. Didn’t agree with it when we had Sven and Capello, wouldn’t agree with it if we replaced Southgate with Conte etc. It just goes against the spirit of the competition IMO.
We just need to embrace the fact that we’re getting Eddie Howe and we’ll never make it out of the quarters for another few tournaments.
Best example was Italy in 1982 World Cup they didn’t win a single game in the first group stage
In other countries, their managers get the chance to fail, without their reputation being irreparably damaged, too. We decide one bad effort and that's it, you're scarred for life.
Not sure how true that is - managers like Steve Bruce and Roy Hodgson have been given chance after chance, regardless of their past failures. Lampard will probably get another job next season (some wanted him to get the England U21 job!)
I think your second point about teams preferring foreign managers is a big problem though. It’s not like at the players’ level, where young English players can benefit from playing with foreign imports, even if it stops them getting game time. A foreign manager is going to bring his entire coaching staff with him, leaving no room for domestic coaches to learn from them - it could take years for their coaching methods to trickle down, by which time the game has usually moved on tactically. The ‘win at all costs’ mentality of the Premier League makes for great entertainment at the weekend, and misery in the summer every four years.
How can Hodgson be described as a failure? He’s had an incredible career as a manager - including managing foreign national teams
The claim was “one bad effort and that’s it, you’re scarred for life”. Hodgson failed miserably at Liverpool (among others), and then subsequently got two Premier League appointments and the England job.
He also took forever to get a job in this country, before Blackburn gave him a chance.How can Hodgson be described as a failure? He’s had an incredible career as a manager - including managing foreign national teams
He also took forever to get a job in this country, before Blackburn gave him a chance.
Then had to leave the country again to rebuild his reputation.
You said Hodgson had been given “chance after chance”
Oh they sold it well,the post match commentary was a stupendous marketing tutorial.
Tbf lampard has to better than boothroyd and Lee carsley as England u21 managerNot sure how true that is - managers like Steve Bruce and Roy Hodgson have been given chance after chance, regardless of their past failures. Lampard will probably get another job next season (some wanted him to get the England U21 job!)
I think your second point about teams preferring foreign managers is a big problem though. It’s not like at the players’ level, where young English players can benefit from playing with foreign imports, even if it stops them getting game time. A foreign manager is going to bring his entire coaching staff with him, leaving no room for domestic coaches to learn from them - it could take years for their coaching methods to trickle down, by which time the game has usually moved on tactically. The ‘win at all costs’ mentality of the Premier League makes for great entertainment at the weekend, and misery in the summer every four years.
What he didn't do was get a chance until he'd built a reputation abroad - a spell as caretaker at Bristol City when they were a basket case was enought to write him off. On leaving Blackburn, he then needed to go away and rebuild, get that track record. To all intents, Hodgson is exactly the case of a 'foreign' manager being given more leeway, even if his passport says he's British.He got West Brom, England and Palace! And he did pretty well at all of them, of course - I like Hodgson. I was just pointing out there isn’t some “one strike and you’re out” policy against English managers.
I've simmered down sufficiently I think - aided by a run this morning.Still absolutely raging about the performance. Haven’t been this affected by a football match since QPR away.
Are you expecting Poland to beat Spain and Sweden after the dreadful performance they put in against Slovakia? We’d play the winner of that group or third in A/B/C/D in the hypothetical quarters.We should try and win the group. Portugal at Wembley would be tough but I’d rather that and then Poland in Rome in the quarters then taking Sweden/Spain in Copenhagen then France in the quarters in wherever.
Keep hold of the home advantage and if we’re going to be eliminated the first time we come up against a decent team then we may as well get it out of the way early.
Also, Kane is clearly not on form. He must be able to see that in training. Why the fuck has he taken only one alternative and why the fuck has he not utilised that one option.
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