HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I mean if we go off % they sold 100% of the team in 2012 when they sold Jutkiewicz. Even worse we let him go on loan so they could have him earlier
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Skyblue_CP
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I just simply cannot be arsed anymore.
New management team?
Blackpool anyone?
tisza
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Whole thing just a sh*t show. None of this comes as a surprise. PR statements after court hearing the usual flannel. Ashley not going to worry about harming club short-term if he gets what he wants in the end.
Now waiting for a statement from King about his intentions. Any sense and he'll just jack it in.
Now waiting for a statement from King about his intentions. Any sense and he'll just jack it in.
robbiethemole
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GIMOC
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i was told this morning that an agreement should be made this week. Ticket office were told BAU and it was ashley pushing sisu to sign the new contact. For me the statement from Cov is a PR stunt to keep fans onside. Hopefully they sign the contract to keep us going for the short term at least. Then let’s see what unravels in terms of ownership of us
shmmeee
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Well see I guess. They’ve got us over a barrel so we’ll have to sign. If it’s until the end of the season then IMO that’s a fucking. Should be the same terms santje original deal or GTFO frankly.
Terry Gibson's perm
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He will just rename it we will be quite happy with that outcome, I wonder if he has done the same with the casino etc.
olderskyblue
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Co-incidence Reeves left CCC just before this broke?
Nick
Administrator
You said it was the same terms though?
Nick
Administrator
Hasn't left "yet".
KersleyDigs
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Yep. It won't be their fault though, that will be the line. Hands will be tied etc.
Heard it all before. Always someone else's fault. That Doug King thing was an absolute farce!
They'll blame Ashley's increased rent. Pocket as much transfer money as possible, asset strip, then sell to Ashley in May
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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He hasn't left yet!
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My turn to be too slow...
Londonccfcfan
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There is literally no option but to sign the new agreement. We dont know how unfavourable the terms are.. really might just be matter of ££...cant see it being anywhere near £1M.
The sticking points maybe be agreements over club shops/pitch maintenance/groundsman etc.
We are just guessing literally no meat on the bones of the statements from club.
The sticking points maybe be agreements over club shops/pitch maintenance/groundsman etc.
We are just guessing literally no meat on the bones of the statements from club.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Only just found out about this. Just to answer a couple of points i found this on a solicitors website
What is a Lease?
A lease is a contractual arrangement where a tenant agrees to pay rent to a landlord for exclusive occupation of a property for a fixed term.
A key feature of leases is that tenants benefit from the right to possession of the property, to the exclusion of all others including the landlord during the fixed term. This is the major difference to licences where tenants do not receive ‘exclusive possession’ and landlords may enter the property on reasonable notice.
Leases also create a legal interest in the property which means any sale of the property, during the term is subject to the tenant’s lease. Leases are not revocable (limited exceptions) but can be transferred by the landlord or tenant to another party.
What is a Licence?
A licence is where the landlord grants a tenant permission to use the property or land for a specific purpose. A licence may be for a fixed term or ongoing.
Unlike a lease, a licence does not grant the tenant ‘exclusive possession’ of the property. A licence is merely a right to occupy. Leases provide the tenant with more flexibility in terms of their enjoyment of land and any alterations which they may wish to make. Furthermore, licences do not create a legal interest in the land and cannot be assigned to another party.
However, for some landlords and tenants a licences characteristics are beneficial. Licences provide a high degree of flexibility and simplicity. Most licences give both the landlord and tenant the right to terminate the agreement at short notice and have less onerous conditions.
Questions
did SISU see an opportunity to twist an arm?
did the club need the existing licence to be able to claim the pitch money back - currently an unsecured creditor and won't get a penny?
Has Frasers group transferred the head lease to another company - a licence apparently cannot be transferred?
Are Frasers Group setting the scene for future engagement with the clubs owners - ie dont mess with us?
Is this a move to acquire the club by distressing it?
is it simply hard nosed business and the cost of the licence goes up May 2023 and SISU now on notice thats the case?
I am frankly gobsmacked by the amount of crap that has been thrown our way this season. one thing after another over and over. No other team has had to deal with the troubles we have had for years and still no end to it
What is the difference between a Lease and a Licence?
In this article, Luke Crocker from our Commercial Property Team takes a look at the difference between a Lease and a Licence.
What is a Lease?
A lease is a contractual arrangement where a tenant agrees to pay rent to a landlord for exclusive occupation of a property for a fixed term.
A key feature of leases is that tenants benefit from the right to possession of the property, to the exclusion of all others including the landlord during the fixed term. This is the major difference to licences where tenants do not receive ‘exclusive possession’ and landlords may enter the property on reasonable notice.
Leases also create a legal interest in the property which means any sale of the property, during the term is subject to the tenant’s lease. Leases are not revocable (limited exceptions) but can be transferred by the landlord or tenant to another party.
What is a Licence?
A licence is where the landlord grants a tenant permission to use the property or land for a specific purpose. A licence may be for a fixed term or ongoing.
Unlike a lease, a licence does not grant the tenant ‘exclusive possession’ of the property. A licence is merely a right to occupy. Leases provide the tenant with more flexibility in terms of their enjoyment of land and any alterations which they may wish to make. Furthermore, licences do not create a legal interest in the land and cannot be assigned to another party.
However, for some landlords and tenants a licences characteristics are beneficial. Licences provide a high degree of flexibility and simplicity. Most licences give both the landlord and tenant the right to terminate the agreement at short notice and have less onerous conditions.
Questions
did SISU see an opportunity to twist an arm?
did the club need the existing licence to be able to claim the pitch money back - currently an unsecured creditor and won't get a penny?
Has Frasers group transferred the head lease to another company - a licence apparently cannot be transferred?
Are Frasers Group setting the scene for future engagement with the clubs owners - ie dont mess with us?
Is this a move to acquire the club by distressing it?
is it simply hard nosed business and the cost of the licence goes up May 2023 and SISU now on notice thats the case?
I am frankly gobsmacked by the amount of crap that has been thrown our way this season. one thing after another over and over. No other team has had to deal with the troubles we have had for years and still no end to it
alexccfc99
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Derby fans loving this… quite odd, suppose their still bitter about getting pasted up and down by the cherry tree after they begged for our sympathy last season
slowpoke
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Just been on Midlands News Fraser group saying it offered ccfc a licence which mirrored the existing deal until the end of the season but club chose not to sign it, there’s a lot to come out yet. Perhaps questions need to be asked to Dave Boddy or Tim Fisher about what was said on Midlands ITN news.
I’ll worry when we are told we can’t play Swansea at the CBS on the 17th.
I’ll worry when we are told we can’t play Swansea at the CBS on the 17th.
shmmeee
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Nah, as shitty as that was it ended up with the fake team in a decent stadium with security and the real team close to its fans and in its own stadium. A mate is an AFC fan and is very happy.
This shit seemingly has no end. AFC were only founded five years before Sisu took us over. At least they’ve been able to move on.
duffer
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Because we were over a barrel when negotiating maybe, and it suited Wasps to offer a deal they could easily break?
Or alternatively because SISU wanted an agreement they could easily break, either to keep some pressure on Wasps or to be able to move to Stadium Nowhere (tm) at a point that suited them in the future?
Fucked if I know, in truth, but once again it looks like the dickheads in charge of the club and the dickheads in charge of the council have let a transfer go through without any concern about where the club ends up.
Unremittingly bleak news, just as we thought all of this bollocks was over for a while.
I suppose one thing has changed from the previous over exclusive use.
There was always provision for another user being the rugby club in the old one.
By definition that no longer was the case .
So Flannels would want something new to cover for potential other functions every other Saturday?
We would also be happy for a function allowing us the opportunity to break,no?
David O'Day
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we're not going to get evicted, both sides lose out then
it's just a tactic to try and make us pay more rent
it's just a tactic to try and make us pay more rent
duffer
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There were no preconditions when the Council sold to Wasps, that's why we ended up in Brum.
It was just a load of bullshit and hot air so that the lying, incompetent, fuckers running the council could pretend that they were protecting the club when they voted it through.
The idea that the Council ever put the club first was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. It would be good if more people could see this.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Sbarcher
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Maybe we didn't sign as such a short term deal would not be acceptable to the EFL. They have previously required a long term deal to ensure our continued place in the league.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I mean they could have just said let’s discuss different terms instead of serving notice
How much
And what do people mean when they say get the club on the cheap?
How much is cheap?
Brighton Sky Blue
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slowpoke
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A few weeks ago the Fraser group were granted Preferred bidder status by the administrators doing the ACL admin.Don’t exactly how admin works others on here might, but I think part of being granted preferred status would have been the Fraser groups plans going forward. I’d think part of those plans would have included future plans for current tenants such as ccfc, the casino, are there others there not sure. Lots to come out yet.
However sure they could find a loophole) solution?