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Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

AndreasB said:
Hilton app shows a availability up to then and it’s not available from 18th Dec until 7th Jan.
Other than the football assume there is not a lot going on there conference wise over Xmas so could just be the famed maintenance work. Unless Ashley wants the place to himself, Partridge style.

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So one of my contacts at Hilton thinks you're on the money. She doesn't believe it's shutting permanently as she doesn't recall any communications about it shutting.

As a rule, a number of hotels (including big chains) do shut their doors over the festive period due to low forecasted occupancy so it's likely it's a case of that rather than anything more sinister.

I've also got a contact who was the old GM at the hotel and who is now involved with Destination Coventry so I've reached out to him as I suspect he'll have a better handle on the situation. Will report back once I've heard back.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Dec 8, 2022

3generations skyblue said:
Ian King on Sky News just interviewed Michael Murray (Chief Executive of Fraser Group) and at the end of the interview asked about the acquisition of CBS arena. Murray confirmed planning for company headquarters in Coventry area and made sense to invest in local sporting stadium, didn’t want to speculate on rents going or and down.
”Looking forward to working with the football club for many years to come, and want to build a positive relationship with them”

Make of that what you will

This is what’s bizarre about the takeover - we currently have owners who aren’t bothered about taking us out the city.

what is their plans for the stadium should this happen? What’s their motive for owning a loss making sports stadium?

im sure we’ll sign a deal but say Joy liquidates us, what’s he gonna do with a empty football stadium (extreme circumstances I know)

The Philosopher · Dec 8, 2022

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Speaking of talking shit, you've got me blocked and when I comment on what a wanker you are you usually ask someone else what I've said.

Is that O’Day you’re talking about? Got myself and Philosoraptor mixed up (easy done) and then goes on calling people c***s. Just mute as I have, he’s full weight that one.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
There are still some excellent councillors

There are. Sadly they’re nowhere near cabinet generally.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

Tommo1993 said:
xnxx.com has a blue setting. My friend told me this.

Good site.

Erm. Your friend told me this as well.

The Philosopher · Dec 8, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
This is what’s bizarre about the takeover - we currently have owners who aren’t bothered about taking us out the city.

what is their plans for the stadium should this happen? What’s their motive for owning a loss making sports stadium?

im sure we’ll sign a deal but say Joy liquidates us, what’s he gonna do with a empty football stadium (extreme circumstances I know)

Unpopular opinion:

Delapidations allegedly running at £1m per year open. Ok. Not all stadium and not all realistic.

Even if stadium delapidations are half, our rent doesn’t cover that plus power and finance costs.

If a mediator got involved even then it’d be difficult to argue the case for CCFC having a low rent.

Flip side is the (£1m / year?) stadium naming rights. CBS made it conditional that CCFC play there so in effect CCFC pay their way indirectly. That needs sorting out and CBS have some cards to play.

Flip side 2 is if MA names the arena after Sports Direct. CCFC need to push forward the notion that CCFC being there contributes to the advertising value in place of the £1m lost from CBS.

This should be obvious but in the case of CCFC SISU I’m not sure they have a grasp. (If they do read this forum then I hope they pay attention to some of the good points made by other posters.)

The unpopular bit:

If Wasps were to bounce back and pay towards some stadium overhead / create extra advertising revenue would that reduce pressure on CCFC rent (in the event of some kind of intervention/mediator)?

Reduce pressure on pitch by having lesser cup games at the satellite towns.

I’m no Wasps fan, just don’t want CCFC having a £1m plus rent.

Personally I’d rather they didn’t, but it’s something to consider.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

The Philosopher said:
Unpopular opinion:

Delapidations allegedly running at £1m per year open. Ok. Not all stadium and not all realistic.

Even if stadium delapidations are half, our rent doesn’t cover that plus power and finance costs.

If a mediator got involved even then it’d be difficult to argue the case for CCFC having a low rent.

Flip side is the (£1m / year?) stadium naming rights. CBS made it conditional that CCFC play there so in effect CCFC pay their way indirectly. That needs sorting out and CBS have some cards to play.

Flip side 2 is if MA names the arena after Sports Direct. CCFC need to push forward the notion that CCFC being there contributes to the advertising value in place of the £1m lost from CBS.

This should be obvious but in the case of CCFC SISU I’m not sure they have a grasp. (If they do read this forum then I hope they pay attention to some of the good points made by other posters.)

The unpopular bit:

If Wasps were to bounce back and pay towards some stadium overhead / create extra advertising revenue would that reduce pressure on CCFC rent (in the event of some kind of intervention/mediator)?

Reduce pressure on pitch by having lesser cup games at the satellite towns.

I’m no Wasps fan, just don’t want CCFC having a £1m plus rent.

Personally I’d rather they didn’t, but it’s something to consider.

If only someone else had thought this in 2014 and attempted to bring in another club to share the burden. They would surely be hailed as doing the best for the club and not at all fucking them over?

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
How about Ashley doesn’t want the club and bought the stadium because he thought he could make money on it by developing it? And King has bought the club and is waiting on EFL approval?

Nah, just too out there as a theory, sorry lads.

Why buy a stadium to develop when he'd know it would massively p*ss off the local population - and would also gain massive negative press and PR?

Buy a bit of land and develop that, no?!

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
Why buy a stadium to develop when he'd know it would massively p*ss off the local population - and would also gain massive negative press and PR?

Buy a bit of land and develop that, no?!

Course but no statements from fg have said anything about owning the club just working closely with

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
Why buy a stadium to develop when he'd know it would massively p*ss off the local population - and would also gain massive negative press and PR?

Buy a bit of land and develop that, no?!

He bought it for the same reason everyone else wanted to buy it. He got it cheap and could see potential for money to be made.

He’s said he wants to have his base of operations here and likes sport. I guess we’ll see what his plans are, only thing I’ve heard so far is hotel and car park.

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
He bought it for the same reason everyone else wanted to buy it. He got it cheap and could see potential for money to be made.

He’s said he wants to have his base of operations here and likes sport. I guess we’ll see what his plans are, only thing I’ve heard so far is hotel and car park.

Yeah the base of operations will be Ansty.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

Nick said:
Yeah the base of operations will be Ansty.

Which is here?

chinamans view · Dec 8, 2022

Surely Sisu cant sign any agreement because it would be null and void , with the new owner (King) taking over, there would have to be a new agreement with king, so he will need to sign any new agreement not Sisu, when he completes buyout.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

chinamans view said:
Surely Sisu cant sign any agreement because it would be null and void , with the new owner (King) taking over, there would have to be a new agreement with king, so he will need to sign any new agreement not Sisu, when he completes buyout.

No? CCFC would be signing the agreement. Otherwise we’d also need to renegotiate every player contract on takeover.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Course but no statements from fg have said anything about owning the club just working closely with

Regardless if he owns us or not, it would still be a dick move to 'redevelop' the Arena without CCFC due to the negative reaction/PR it would receive when he could buy any plot of land and build from new.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
He bought it for the same reason everyone else wanted to buy it. He got it cheap and could see potential for money to be made.

He’s said he wants to have his base of operations here and likes sport. I guess we’ll see what his plans are, only thing I’ve heard so far is hotel and car park.

'Could see potential for money to be made'. What from? The club? Cov in the EPL is surely his quickest way to enhancing his bank balance I would've thought.

Kicking us out for Arena re-development would garner a lot but not as much as EPL cash.

David O'Day · Dec 8, 2022

The Philosopher said:
Is that O’Day you’re talking about? Got myself and Philosoraptor mixed up (easy done) and then goes on calling people c***s. Just mute as I have, he’s full weight that one.

Thought you had be blocked but you can see i called you a c**t

Also I didn't get you mixed up with anyone you lying weirdo

David O'Day · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
Why buy a stadium to develop when he'd know it would massively p*ss off the local population - and would also gain massive negative press and PR?

Buy a bit of land and develop that, no?!

It's also the leasehold and not the freehold

It's a weird suggestion

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
Which is here?

Outside of Coventry boundary, Its Rugby and thus Warwickshire and they have refused planning

chinamans view · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
No? CCFC would be signing the agreement. Otherwise we’d also need to renegotiate every player contract on takeover.

I think you are wrong. Why do we need to sign a new agreement , its because there is a new owner of the ground, same there will be new owner of club , same applies.

alexccfc99 · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
Regardless if he owns us or not, it would still be a dick move to 'redevelop' the Arena without CCFC due to the negative reaction/PR it would receive when he could buy any plot of land and build from new.

Think Ashley made abundantly clear during his time at NUFC and by the way he treats his staff at SD

Negative PR means the square root of fuck all to him

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
How about Ashley doesn’t want the club and bought the stadium because he thought he could make money on it by developing it? And King has bought the club and is waiting on EFL approval?

Nah, just too out there as a theory, sorry lads.

He has to keep it as a sporting facility as designated by Sport England. To do anything else he would have find another sporting location.

Same problem (?) as Ryton

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

Interesting how Maton didn't seem to know if Ashley could knock it down and build a warehouse.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

Nick said:
Interesting how Maton didn't seem to know if Ashley could knock it down and build a warehouse.

He explicitly said he thought he couldn’t. And that it has to be used as an arena.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 8, 2022

alexccfc99 said:
Think Ashley made abundantly clear during his time at NUFC and by the way he treats his staff at SD

Negative PR means the square root of fuck all to him

Adding Sports Direct to a stadium name and 'only investing' net £100m over his time to anger the Geordies is a bit different to getting a club to leave a stadium so he can use it for his business interests.

It won't happen anyway.

MalcSB · Dec 8, 2022

The Philosopher said:
Unpopular opinion:

Delapidations allegedly running at £1m per year open. Ok. Not all stadium and not all realistic.

Even if stadium delapidations are half, our rent doesn’t cover that plus power and finance costs.

If a mediator got involved even then it’d be difficult to argue the case for CCFC having a low rent.

Flip side is the (£1m / year?) stadium naming rights. CBS made it conditional that CCFC play there so in effect CCFC pay their way indirectly. That needs sorting out and CBS have some cards to play.

Flip side 2 is if MA names the arena after Sports Direct. CCFC need to push forward the notion that CCFC being there contributes to the advertising value in place of the £1m lost from CBS.

This should be obvious but in the case of CCFC SISU I’m not sure they have a grasp. (If they do read this forum then I hope they pay attention to some of the good points made by other posters.)

The unpopular bit:

If Wasps were to bounce back and pay towards some stadium overhead / create extra advertising revenue would that reduce pressure on CCFC rent (in the event of some kind of intervention/mediator)?

Reduce pressure on pitch by having lesser cup games at the satellite towns.

I’m no Wasps fan, just don’t want CCFC having a £1m plus rent.

Personally I’d rather they didn’t, but it’s something to consider.

I wonder how the annual rent, or license fee, is calculated. We only use the stadium bowl for about 150 hours per year.

It may well be that we got a relatively good deal, given that the CBS naming rights (bringing an additional £1.25m pa) were contingent on us playing there. FG may well not want to continue the naming rights agreement and I would expect there to be get out clauses for either side. I suppose any agreement may well already be null and void as per our license agreement. As you have suggested, the value in naming it Mike Ashley Retail Stadium (MARS) would come, as it did for CBS, from high level football playing there and that should, again as you have said, be reflected in any new license agreement.

Im really not sure that nouveau Wasps would contribute sufficient to offset the negatives of the being at the arena, for example fixture clashes or any damage to the playing surface. At the moment, there is no Wasps and the deal needs to be sorted by Monday 12 December. Whatever is charged to CCFC would need to be charged pro rata to Wasps else it will be another source of outrage - what will there attendances be like in the Championship? They will have no share of central rugby income either, that was worth over £1m pa.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Priority is get an agreement for CCFC to play at the arena, ownership and embargo issues sorted out and start watching our fantastic and exciting team again.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

chinamans view said:
I think you are wrong. Why do we need to sign a new agreement , its because there is a new owner of the ground, same there will be new owner of club , same applies.

No. And I don’t see why we need a new licence either, except for the fact that because it’s a licence they can cancel it whenever.

What matters is the legal entity, not who the majority shareholder of that entity is.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

oldfiver said:
He has to keep it as a sporting facility as designated by Sport England. To do anything else he would have find another sporting location.

Same problem (?) as Ryton

I have no idea where this mad notion that he wants to knock the ground down has come from.

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

Skyblueweeman said:
'Could see potential for money to be made'. What from? The club? Cov in the EPL is surely his quickest way to enhancing his bank balance I would've thought.

Kicking us out for Arena re-development would garner a lot but not as much as EPL cash.

Why does any business run an exhibition centre? Last I checked the NEC don’t need a Premier League team to make money.

skybluetony176 · Dec 8, 2022

oldfiver said:
Outside of Coventry boundary, Its Rugby and thus Warwickshire and they have refused planning

Don’t think an application has been made yet has it? Still in consultation according to a mate of mine who lives in one of the villages in the area being consulted.

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
He explicitly said he thought he couldn’t. And that it has to be used as an arena.

Yes, "thought", "think".

He didn't say "In no circumstances is he able to".

shmmeee · Dec 8, 2022

oldfiver said:
Outside of Coventry boundary, Its Rugby and thus Warwickshire and they have refused planning

Cant see anything here: Citizen Portal Planning

Got a link?

oldfiver · Dec 8, 2022

skybluetony176 said:
Don’t think an application has been made yet has it? Still in consultation according to a mate of mine who lives in one of the villages in the area being consulted.

Then the consultation group may have indicated a possible refusal. Whatever - it is going to be some years away I suspect

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 8, 2022

shmmeee said:
I have no idea where this mad notion that he wants to knock the ground down has come from.

Might want to when we've built our Warwick Uni ground

Nick · Dec 8, 2022

They were doing consultations a couple of months ago at Ansty Golf Club.

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