fernandopartridge
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The NUS only like freedom of speech as long as they agree with it. Plenty of examples of them trying to get speakers banned from universities, even Germaine Greer.
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The NUS only like freedom of speech as long as they agree with it. Plenty of examples of them trying to get speakers banned from universities, even Germaine Greer.Interesting about the mention of Prevent earlier in the thread.
The National Union of Students are refusing to engage with universities in fulfilling their legal obligations under Prevent, due to concerns about victimization, profiling, freedom of speech, etc. I wonder how many more people of student age need to die before they will learn that the needs of the nation override the rights of the few (who may be adversely affected, in their view).
Sky News states the apartment is privately owned by a local couple and rented out for £75 a night and neighbours revealed they noticed the "strong smell of explosives" coming from under the apartment's door in the days leading up to the attack.
Don't they use ammonia or something similar in bomb making? That stuff reeks.1. How do people know what explosives smell like?
2. Did anybody report it?
And the following weekend 000's will be complaining about ott police actions.Exactly.
The authorities must start to put the security and safety of the masses above the civil rights of the few.
They already are. Bun day in Bedworth is cancelled and plenty of parents on FB are complaining. I'd rather my kid is safe than going to stand in the sun and being put at risk.And the following weekend 000's will be complaining about ott police actions.
You can't have selectivity...the authorities are either slanted to liberal reactions or right-wing police state ones to people's actions. Whether it be religious rantings, or say rowdy drunken behaviour down the high street on a Friday night, or indeed chanting & intimidating opposition fans on a matchday.
Maybe erring more toward the right-wing police state is to be preferable to reduce the risks of repeat scenarios...but is the other stuff a too large, or just a small price to pay?
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can you explain that comment? Who is burying their heads about what?
So what's the solution? Do you suggest locking up or deporting all 1st / 2nd generation Brits? Or are we going off skin colour or some other sort of profiling?
Its not like people need to travel overseas to become radicalised and even those that do how do you track them? They aren't boarding flights to training camps, they're going to other countries that don't have strong borders controls and crossing, often unknown to anyone.
There's been suggestions of 'bombing them off the face of the earth', where should we bomb? It's not like WW1 or WW2 where the enemy was a country.
And if we do 'wipe them off the face of the earth' what has changed that will stop the same thing that led to the rise is IS and Al Queda before them? Remove one lot and you create a power vacuum.
Yeah this idiot was reported to the police a few times mate, but was deemed not much of a threat.agree with alot of your points. but 2 that i dont
-kt hopkins grows hate towards muslims. one day someone will be the victim of a hate crime by someone stirred up ber her tweets and articles. she is a HATE PREACHER. just because she does not use religion does not mean she should be ignored
-too much emphasis put on by brits and americans about regular or moderate muslims doing more. i feel like they think regular muslims hear these plans and then say"well i aint gonna say nothing but i aint joining in" etc. these guys are individuals or very small cells. why would everday joe know about?
that said anyone that does have info desintly should report it to police even if they hate uk and us politics. sounds like this prick was kicked out of a mosque few years ago,was it reported to police back then?
Yeah this idiot was reported to the police a few times mate, but was deemed not much of a threat.
Just shows you can't watch all of the fuckers all of the time.
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When the country came under attack in the 70's and 80's from the IRA, the government authorised SAS squads to operate a shoot to kill policy on known terrorists who were known to be planning or endangering lives. I'd say that had more to do with stopping the IRA than any peace process that Blair made up.
The problem nowday's is that everyone is so PC and human rights orientated that I doubt that it would even be considered.
Interesting about the mention of Prevent earlier in the thread.
The National Union of Students are refusing to engage with universities in fulfilling their legal obligations under Prevent, due to concerns about victimization, profiling, freedom of speech, etc. I wonder how many more people of student age need to die before they will learn that the needs of the nation override the rights of the few (who may be adversely affected, in their view).
The point I'm trying to make is that there needs to be a zero tolerance standpoint on anything terrorism related.
In my opinion you lose your human rights when you affiliate with this kind of thing. Everyone knows not all Muslims are terrorists, even if people do get a bit angry sometimes and say some daft things, the fact that the police are busy using their resources to investigate Katie Hopkins' tweets is just ridiculous. I know she is mostly a waste of skin, but she isn't comparable to someone who has just murdered a group of children.
We need to accept that there is a dark corner of Islam that needs curbing. You're never going to get rid of it completely because the population of Muslim followers in Europe is now too high and they'll always be some idiots, but you can go much further to fixing it, and with that will come a much more positive view of Muslims from the rest of the continent too. This current pandering is crazy though. It needs to be talked about, and some common sense needs to be injected. Not PC platitudes and virtue signalling, or attacking anyone who is rightly upset, it simply doesn't help (burying heads in the sand).
There will be attack after attack after attack, unless we take some firm action now. I saw the raids in Coventry a few weeks ago, and now you can see the Nuneaton shit last night. This isn't just happening in Raqqa, this is three streets away. I have a few ideas that ultimately I would put forward, feel free to agree/disagree/discuss:
- Pull out of all middle eastern conflict immediately. We don't need to be involved in this shit and I don't think we're really helping.
- Cut ties with Saudi Arabia. Licking them is a joke, they need to be told to fuck off until they sort their shit out at least.
- Extreme vetting of any refugees we do take, this also means anyone posing as a migrant is deported immediately for not qualifying. No risks needed.
- Shut down religious schools and integrate the kids into mainstream society.
- Go in and shut down any ghettos that are in existence. - Certainly can be found in France, Belgium, and Sweden. A few scattered round the UK too.
- Shut down any mosque that is deemed as a terrorist melting pot. Even if one person comes out of there with radical views. No second chances.
- Deport any hate preachers and ban them from the UK for life.
- 4,000 people on the watch list as of now, sift through them, deport anyone who even associated with terrorism. Any UK nationals within that group should also be imprisoned immediately. No second chances.
- Anyone found guilty of terrorism planning, funding, or affiliation. Immediate prison or deportation (all family members too).
- Encourage friends, family, colleagues, and mosques to grass these people up. Use a variation incentives. We need help to fight this from regular Muslims.
- Stop this 'islamaphobia' bollocks. Radical muslims are killing people, even if some people take it too far, the basic principle is not an irrational phobia.
- Stop the 'terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city' mindset. This is war, terrorism is winning. We need action.
Zero tolerance, zero second chances. Killing a group of people at a children's concert is not acceptable, and as you can probably tell, I'm fucking angry about it.
When the country came under attack in the 70's and 80's from the IRA, the government authorised SAS squads to operate a shoot to kill policy on known terrorists who were known to be planning or endangering lives. I'd say that had more to do with stopping the IRA than any peace process that Blair made up.
The problem nowday's is that everyone is so PC and human rights orientated that I doubt that it would even be considered.
I your post is 1 fact and 1 supposition. It's a fact that Muslims come out and condemn these attacks. You've supposed that this doesn't happen in mosques. Undoubtedly there are isolated cases where radical mosques exist but unless evidence to the contrary is presented we shouldn't assume radicalisation happens in a traditional religious setting. I think the onset of the internet has allowed for radicalisation on an individual basis and this is where our concerns should lie.I hear lots of Muslims, including "community leaders", clerics, Imams, etc. coming out after this type of attack and saying that it is not part of the Islamic doctrine, "not in my name", etc.
But what I would like to know is in how many mosques up and down the country (and throughout the world) does the preacher/cleric/Imam stand up and say in the Muslim version of a sermon "This is wrong. Whoever is telling you these things is wrong. This is evil. This is not what Allah wants. This is not the way to salvation. Martyrdom will see you in hell, not heaven, and you will not get your 72 maidens. Islam is a religion of peace. There is nothing in the Qu'ran that tells you to murder infidels!"
Not many, i'll warrant, and until they do, these attacks will go on.
In spite all this we're still having far less attacks than we used to, they're just coming from a particular source in radical Islam. We shouldn't destroy our society and values to combat it, we should develop effective means of combating the problem and successfully integrating affected communities.Am I the only one that thinks a serious attack every decade isn't actually that bad and doesn't call for the complete destruction of centuries of due process and liberal society then?
You are absolutely rightAm I the only one that thinks a serious attack every decade isn't actually that bad and doesn't call for the complete destruction of centuries of due process and liberal society then?
Am I the only one that thinks a serious attack every decade isn't actually that bad and doesn't call for the complete destruction of centuries of due process and liberal society then?
Am I the only one that thinks a serious attack every decade isn't actually that bad and doesn't call for the complete destruction of centuries of due process and liberal society then?
I'm assuming it got deleted because the taxi driver was a Sikh, not a muslim?followed by the mainstream media twitter which since been deleted
You are absolutely right
You could have worded it a bit better (isn't that bad is perhaps superfluous) but I understand what you're saying.Am I the only one that thinks a serious attack every decade isn't actually that bad and doesn't call for the complete destruction of centuries of due process and liberal society then?
You can't integrate a community that doesn't want to, it's a two way street. The same problem has existed for many years and is exacerbated by various well-meaning but counterproductive things public services do for the Muslim community.In spite all this we're still having far less attacks than we used to, they're just coming from a particular source in radical Islam. We shouldn't destroy our society and values to combat it, we should develop effective means of combating the problem and successfully integrating affected communities.
Yep that's exactly what Shmmeee said and exactly what I said was acceptable.The slaughtering of innocent people, is acceptable?
You could have worded it a bit better (isn't that bad is perhaps superfluous) but I understand what you're saying.
That said, clearly there needs to be closer monitoring of suspects. Apparently the Manchester bomber was living in a veritable bomb factory.
Government snooping on Internet use appears more bothered about protecting the profits of multinationals than protecting the public.
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Yep that's exactly what Shmmeee said and exactly what I said was acceptable.
Why is it that a British life means more to you than a yazidi or a Coptic Christian or Syrian child or Libyan refugee?
Why do these people's lives mean more to you, than a British life?
I challenge you to find a quote from me saying Syrian children dying "isn't that bad". I am equally saddened by people dying in the M.E everyday.
Saying a few deaths here in the UK isn't that bad, is exactly the same as saying people dying in Syria isn't that bad. Wouldn't you say?
Are you for real?
What a callous statement.
Monday’s massacre was not just ‘a serious attack’.
It was 22 young lives ended in the most barbaric way.
It was 59 seriously or critically injured young people.
It was hundreds of lives ruined forever.
Our next government must start putting the safety of the public ahead of the freedoms of those who are known to be plotting against us whilst living amongst us.
They don't mean more to me, they are of equal value.Why do these people's lives mean more to you, than a British life?
I challenge you to find a quote from me saying Syrian children dying "isn't that bad". I am equally saddened by people dying in the M.E everyday.
Saying a few deaths here in the UK isn't that bad, is exactly the same as saying people dying in Syria isn't that bad. Wouldn't you say?
This thread is full of terrorist apologists.
I almost cannot read it anymore.
HAHAHA you're joking right?This thread is full of terrorist apologists.
I almost cannot read it anymore.
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