oucho
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I wasn't belittling you, I was belittling your words and there's a big difference. Where do you recommend I start, the Canary or the Morning Star?
you started with the insulting posts you clown, belittling what people had to say.
Conspiracy theories FFS, put the sun down and do some proper reading.
I wasn't belittling you, I was belittling your words and there's a big difference. Where do you recommend I start, the Canary or the Morning Star?
You've missed out the terrorist attacks in Iraq daily, in Syria, in Turkey, in Lebanon. See the pattern?Fucking despicable this atrocity, keep seeing this posted, weird how they all seem to happen on the 22nd!
22-05-13 Lee Rigby
22-03-16 Brussels attack
22-07-16 Munich attack
22-03-17 London attack
22-05-17 Manchester attack
22-07-17 ???
Can you see a pattern?
Extremist violence then sorry. Death penalty is no deterrent just sanctions state murder.Not really. I don't think in the uk you'd get extremely baptists blowing up Manchester.
Things can be done. Target people looking at sites for radicalisation, arrest people without trial who are suspects, deport known hate preachers, re-introduce the death penalty for any organisers of such activity.
I'm not saying I advocate these things but they can be done.
The fact we allowed for years a hate preacher like Abu Hamsa to peddle his filth shows we are a soft touch.
try the link I posted above, or this one from the NY times https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html?_r=0
or the New statesman Wahhabism to ISIS: how Saudi Arabia exported the main source of global terrorism
or even look at what trump himself had to say about Saudi and it's extremist links until his amazing about turn on becoming president.
My original point to all this was Ian essentially claimed that Trump was a hypocrite for condemning the Manchester attacker because he has just sold a load of weaponry to the Saudis, who allegedly (we can agree/disagree on that separately) back ISIS.
The reason I called this out is that
1) other than their claim, which I think we can treat with a healthy dose of scepticism as per my original post, there's probably no link to ISIS. Whoever did this was probably not acting as an ISIS operative, even though they claimed the attack after the fact. It's likely to have been this guy and maybe some associates, inspired by, but not by, ISIS. Nor did Trump name ISIS in the comments I quoted.
2) even if ISIS are to be found responsible, there's almost no likelihood that the weapons used in the Manchester attack were provided by the Saudis, much less that the Saudis provided ISIS with US-sourced weapons which were then used in Manchester. The Saudis had nothing to do with this at all (unless there's something we don't know).
On that basis I do not see how Trump's comments can fairly be described as hypocritical. I basically said the same thing myself before I even read his comments, there's fundamentally nothing wrong with that view.
You can read any mythic text and take out of it a number of different readings...It's everything to do with Islam. It's a religion whose aim is world domination. Have you read the Koran? It's all spelled out in there.
He's right though, they deserve ridicule. I agree on the oil point. The whole world needs to reduce its reliance on the stuff.i am not sure president of usa calling people losers is any cause for cheer. hes a cretin who helps cause these attacks
keep that oil coming though eh trump
I think a bullet to the head would be more reliable.On the radio it was said there are around 3000 extremists or people that have accessed extremist content, and have been in some way investigated.
I'd say it's probably time to round up every one of these cunts and deport them.
Fuck their human rights.
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No I've stuck to Europe, a place where this shit has been drifted over to in the first place...You've missed out the terrorist attacks in Iraq daily, in Syria, in Turkey, in Lebanon. See the pattern?
Until we treat the life of an 8 year old with the same value wherever they happen to be born in the world we will not learn
Yet again "known to security services".They should have more power / freedom when it comes to "being known" and stopping them, bollocks to human rights and red tape.
Vigil on sky news right now
Couldn’t agree more.
‘Known to security services’. Home grown ‘terrorists’. ‘Hate Preacher in our midst’
I’m tired of hearing those phrases. It’s been going on too long.
The excellent Simon Heffer penned an outstanding article four years ago directly after the murder of Lee Rigby. It stuck in my mind and impressed me at the time. Well worth a read:
Why Drummer Rigby's killers should be charged with treason | Daily Mail Online
Trump said during his election campaign that the Saudis were extremists, (so did Hilary, it was the only thing they agreed on). Last week he sold them billions of pounds worth of weapons.
You may think that doesn't make him a hypocrite but I do.
And that's the problem. Seems to be a lot of people today saying we should bomb them off the planet. How do you do that when its individuals all over the place?BBC news: British, Manchester born, supports Man U. His parents escaped Gaddafi as refugees years ago.
I agree. But that's not the basis of Ian's calling him a hypocrite - he claimed that Trump condemning the Manchester attack was hypocritical because Trump sold arms to the Saudis. There's no real link between the two as far as I can see, so those particular comments in themselves can't be called hypocritical.
OK - i'll acknowledge that you are right in saying there is no direct correlation between the two things.
However Trump has made a big thing about his beliefs and concerns about Islam, ISIS and the Middle East. And then he goes and sells a fuck load of weapons in that region. Where is the sense in that?
If he really wanted to take a stand then come out and saying he will not trade with them in terms of oil until they get their house in order.
British man!
Our response is working, desperately tragic for those affected but the level of violence has reduced for many many years worldwide and will continue to do so.
Peace is not just the absence of war it's intentional, it's sacrificial, it's taking a stand and building peace between homes and communities in the face of provocation.
Rip all those affected but thinking you can change those values we hold dear to fight those who hate those values is folly
Your interpretation of the Koran indicates that you yourself are extremist...perhaps even radicalised yourself in some way?It's everything to do with Islam. It's a religion whose aim is world domination. Have you read the Koran? It's all spelled out in there.
Adherents are duty-bound to kill all non-believers.
These acts are being carried out in the name of Allah and Islam. How can you say its nothing to do with religion?
Your interpretation of the Koran indicates that you yourself are extremist...perhaps even radicalised yourself in some way?
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Worrying that there are thousands more potential losers on the 'watch list' in the UK.......
Stand together in the face of monstrous terrorism. They will never win if we stay firm. Love beats hate, light always overcomes darknessWhat's that? :S genuine question
however Muslim religion isn't an issue say most on here. they are everywhere too many people throw about racist card instead looking at the bigger picture. muslims dont condemn these acts. they are radicalised in mosques up n down the country. british man he was not. anyone british wouldnt blow there own up
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