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[Paul Anthony]

Albon not starting confirmed

 

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[Paul Anthony]

Lance, you've had a shocker there

 

[Paul Anthony]

Well this is just chaos

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Why did mclaren put the inters on Lando? So bad at strategic decisions

 

[Paul Anthony]

This is Max's race to lose now, surely.

 

[skybluecam]

That’s the championship done then.

Why was that safety car called? They may as well scrap the wet tyres if it’s automatically a safety car when it gets wet enough for them.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Why did mclaren put the inters on Lando? So bad at strategic decisions

Incredibly unfortunate timing with the VSC, but have to maintain track position there as it was clear the track was getting extremely wet and the FIA are becoming more and more risk averse with these kind of track conditions.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Mclaren fuck up there

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Incredibly unfortunate timing with the VSC, but have to maintain track position there as it was clear the track was getting extremely wet and the FIA are becoming more and more risk averse with these kind of track conditions.

Agreed they were unlucky but they needed to stay ahead of max

 

[Paul Anthony]

I didn't even think it was possible to get a black flag DSQ these days. When was the last time that happened? I know cars have been DSQ'd after races in the last few years, but during the race? That's got to be going back a few years.

Mercedes are getting a DSQ as well afterwards.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Well done Lando, would you like to bottle it a bit more?

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Norris just loves driving backwards. I really dislike Verstappen but you just can't write him off if he's starting any race

 

[tisza]

Norris lost that race with another poor start. Leads into that first corner and the whole race changes.

 

[jordan210]

What a drive from max

Lando could still get a pen for the jump start the spurs of F1

 

[Saddlebrains]

If i speak......

 

[Paul Anthony]

What a drive from max

Lando could still get a pen for the jump start the spurs of F1

I don't see how he avoids one.

 

[skybluecam]

Lando needs to spend his winter doing a Rocky style training regime for his mind. He absolutely cracked under the pressure this season. Bullied by Max.

I dislike Verstappen intensely but it would have been a bit of a travesty if he didn’t win the championship this year.

 

[jordan210]

Norris 5k fine.
Seams a joke as a jump start is 5 seconds

 

[Paul Anthony]

Norris 5k fine.
Seams a joke as a jump start is 5 seconds

I thought it was a slam dunk 5 seconds tbf. I don't know if there's some loophole about the race having technically not started, maybe, so it wasn't a jump start, just a procedural cock up? I've not read the document yet to know what the logic is there.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

When will they end the free tyre change under a red flag? In my opinion if the race is stopped you shouldn't be able to change anything on the car. Plus they should make it mandatory that you have to pit at least once regardless of the conditions. It's not fair that some teams get unlucky having pitted and others get a free change, not just yesterday but all too often a race being stopped changes the race result.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

When will they end the free tyre change under a red flag? In my opinion if the race is stopped you shouldn't be able to change anything on the car. Plus they should make it mandatory that you have to pit at least once regardless of the conditions. It's not fair that some teams get unlucky having pitted and others get a free change, not just yesterday but all too often a race being stopped changes the race result.

But would you also include no tyre changes allowed under SC/VSC? There is still an advantage there as well.

 

[Paul Anthony]

I feel even worse for the Aston mechanics. Not only did they have to fix two cars in a very short space of time with very little sleep. Then, daddy's little boy goes and does something as dumb as this and doesn't even get to start:



They might as well have not bothered.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

But would you also include no tyre changes allowed under SC/VSC? There is still an advantage there as well.

I thought about that and no I wouldn't as that is still during the race and time is still lost, just not as much. Could be a safety issue if it started raining during an SC for instance.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

I feel even worse for the Aston mechanics. Not only did they have to fix two cars in a very short space of time with very little sleep. Then, daddy's little boy goes and does something as dumb as this and doesn't even get to start:



They might as well have not bothered.

Why wasn't he allowed to be pushed out of the gravel so he could start? In fact why was Hulk DQ'd when there was nothing wrong with his car but the surface?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I thought about that and no I wouldn't as that is still during the race and time is still lost, just not as much. Could be a safety issue if it started raining during an SC for instance.

Obviously allowances for changing to inters/wets.

If tyres are old and getting dangerous could make it so mechanics couldn't touch the car for 5-10 secs under SC

 

[Paul Anthony]

Why wasn't he allowed to be pushed out of the gravel so he could start? In fact why was Hulk DQ'd when there was nothing wrong with his car but the surface?

Because you're not allowed to receive outside assistance from track marshals and continue. It's a black and white rule, so unfortunately if you beach your car, it's over.

I'm entirely sure there used to be something in the regs that went along the lines of "unless your car is considered to be in a dangerous position", which a couple of drivers used to get unstuck over the years. I guess they just don't use that wording any more.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Because you're not allowed to receive outside assistance from track marshals and continue. It's a black and white rule, so unfortunately if you beach your car, it's over.

I'm entirely sure there used to be something in the regs that went along the lines of "unless your car is considered to be in a dangerous position", which a couple of drivers used to get unstuck over the years. I guess they just don't use that wording any more.

Race hadn't started though so why couldn't they help and why can't they push you out anyway? If the car still works safely why can't you continue. You are highly unlikely to be gaining an advantage after crashing and being pushed a couple of metres.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Race hadn't started though so why couldn't they help and why can't they push you out anyway? If the car still works safely why can't you continue. You are highly unlikely to be gaining an advantage after crashing and being pushed a couple of metres.

I guess there's just no allowance for it.

I agree it seems a bit silly that if the race is delayed because a driver is in the litter on the formation lap then there shouldn't be an issue with getting them out and getting back to the pits to take the start from there.

Then again, if he hadn't been a total idiot and taken the huge ass escape road he had available to him, he wouldn't have had a problem.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Race hadn't started though so why couldn't they help and why can't they push you out anyway? If the car still works safely why can't you continue. You are highly unlikely to be gaining an advantage after crashing and being pushed a couple of metres.

It's probably to not encourage marshals etc to try and help get them out and potentially putting themselves in danger. Hence it being black and white - you can't do it.

 

[Skybluekyle]

When will they end the free tyre change under a red flag? In my opinion if the race is stopped you shouldn't be able to change anything on the car. Plus they should make it mandatory that you have to pit at least once regardless of the conditions. It's not fair that some teams get unlucky having pitted and others get a free change, not just yesterday but all too often a race being stopped changes the race result.

I'm conflicted, as I do like the strategic element to pit stops, and possible red flags adds an additional metric that needs to be considered when deciding when or even whether to pit.

I like and loathe cars being allowed to change tyres under red flags. Exciting that cars will risk not coming in hoping for a VSC/SC or red flag, but also it can be pure luck as it's relying on luck/factors outside a team's control.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

I'm conflicted, as I do like the strategic element to pit stops, and possible red flags adds an additional metric that needs to be considered when deciding when or even whether to pit.

I like and loathe cars being allowed to change tyres under red flags. Exciting that cars will risk not coming in hoping for a VSC/SC or red flag, but also it can be pure luck as it's relying on luck/factors outside a team's control.

I just guess a cheap stop is ok, a free stop isn't racing. Both have an element of luck involved don't they.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Fucking Verstappen...

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

Fucking Verstappen...

Move of a world champion. Love that comment. Blokes a nob in the car. Seems OK away from the track.

 

[xcraigx]

Brilliant drive under the most intense pressure by Norris today. It's one thing doing it for yourself but having the hopes of the entire team on your shoulders is going to pretty intense. Get those starts sorted during the winter and who knows, it could be exciting next year.

 

[tisza]

Pleased for McClaren.
Let's hope everyone starts next season same as ths one has finished and all the titles can finally be highly competitive