Your not listening , Nobody trusts Sisu , and they certainly don't want to-do business with them , Why deal with them on there terms? Why give them anything they want when they cant be trusted , who knows how they would spin anything given to them .
Well yes, when you are saying they are doing nothing wrong and trying to help* (along those lines, further back in the thread) it is defending them isn't it?
I think you are misunderstanding 'help' with they have something we need and they are under no obligation (as far as I am aware) to give it to us.
If you think that by agreeing to meet then, pulling out, then demanding they will put in writing how they will accommodate us before you will meet them. Is likely to increase our chances of securing the future of our academy then fair play each to their own.
Personally I think we had a better chance if he turned up. With that in mind I kind of think the opposite to the likes of Chief Dave. That I am more thinking about the future of the academy and he and a few others are consumed with the SISU verses the world battle
That still doesn't make sense.
If they don't trust them, make sure everything is written down and water tight then?
Who has said anything about "anything they want"? A list of facilities available?
Again, he said from the start even before any meeting he wants to start with bits in writing didn't he?
Maybe, just maybe CSF didnt want to or couldn't help? Hence they were ignoring CCFC trying to extend even before the Wasps stuff came out?
Stand back and have a look at it all, it is pretty obvious. The whole process and the CSF statements that basically say nothing apart from "our door is open".
What a fool you are, nothing written down is 'watertight', how do you think lawyers make a living, by arguing the toss about what's written down of course.
CSF have no obligation to write anything down, they offered a meeting to explore possibilities and were spurned in a most unprofessional & rude way, why should they be arsed to take it further?
So you agree with him, that it is not possible to meet up to discuss things without in all been put in writing before you have even had a single meeting to discuss what eventually ends up in writing.
I suppose they should have write him a letter saying some would like intimate meetings with you to discuss what can be done and if there is anyway to accommodate the academy as well as Wasps at this facility.
CSF have no obligation to do anything, the same as CCC and Wasps. That is because they can do whatever they want and our fans will fall for anything they say because they are the enemy of SISU.
How can they be sued from a list of facilities? It wouldn't be a contract, it wouldn't be binding would it?
What would they be going to court about? It would be safer for CSF to do everything in writing wouldn't it so everything is documented and there in black and white?
Are you a legal expert now?
You don't think this will end up in court ?
...so I wouldn't ... if I were you.Probably, but you would think things being documented would only help..SISU
Probably, but you would think things being documented would only help..
What does it matter though? Our council doesn't keep minutes on meetings of big decisions and it is fine. CSF could have drawn a spunking cock and faxed it over and people would have been made for it because it "showed" sisu.
OR they could have replied to the things that were sent even before Wasps were there. Maybe he wondered why after trying to sort something and being ignored that CSF were suddenly being so helpful in the paper, just after people were pissed off with them about the news of them and Wasps at the Higgs..
So should I attend that interview if they don't put all the job details in writing?Again, he said from the start even before any meeting he wants to start with bits in writing didn't he?
Maybe, just maybe CSF didnt want to or couldn't help? Hence they were ignoring CCFC trying to extend even before the Wasps stuff came out?
Stand back and have a look at it all, it is pretty obvious. The whole process and the CSF statements that basically say nothing apart from "our door is open".
You make it sound as if CA has said "You are going to give me these, on my terms, at the times I say, for the price I say". Jeez, he requested some info in writing, he didn't really dictate anything did he?
There are lots of developments going on here too.Not when they are trying to hinder the club at every opportunity because they don't like our owners. There is a lot of fans that don't like the owners but still buy ST's.
I don't like saying it but if you go Birmingham City centre you don't see many empty shops and there always seems to be a development of some sort. Different budgets admittedly.
I've never applied for a job without reading the job description and person specification. So the answer is probably no.So should I attend that interview if they don't put all the job details in writing?
My new job is in your hands!
Yes, they are mission critical. So the people who own them can cause major issues can't they? Especially as there are no other options. It was the point I was making, it isn't as if they can just find another supplier so whoever owns the stadium / academy etc has control over the club. To say it is just down to the directors and nobody else can damage the club is wrong.
It isn't far off Cov Bees is it? Isn't it that the owner of the stadium wants to do something else with it? Using the directors are at fault, the blame should be on Cov Bees if they are in trouble shouldn't it? Not the people who want to flatten it or whatever they are doing.
I know it isn't their fault, I wasn't blaming them.Coventry Bee's owners are genuinely working hard to find a solution though. They're building bridges with local authorities not burning them and as a result other locations for a new stadium have genuinely been identified. There's no BS about speaking to two local authorities, environment agencies, highway agencies, announcement in three weeks, narrowed down to two sites, what colour should the seats be consultation group, oh no there's some badger poo, impact statement's etc etc.
They're getting on with it, quietly. Without a fuss and without upsetting people. They're also genuinely being made homeless. When they go and ground share in Leicester unlike when we went to Northampton they genuinely will have no choice.
Big difference in not just circumstances but also approach.
I know it isn't their fault, I wasn't blaming them.
The whole "it is only the directors to blame" was my point. Whereas they are pretty much helpless and in the mercy of the stadium owners etc.
Its not SISU that wrote to CSF, its CCFC. You say nobody wants to deal with SISU, I presume you mean the club, yet we have signed deals with Nike / Just Sports and Ticketmaster - was any legal action needed there?Because your a wind up merchant ! You just dont get it do you , NOBODY wants to deal with Sisu .
Alot of our predicament, especially the last three years has all been cause and effect of our owners actions. The same can't be said about Bee's. To be frank it was a stupid comparison to make in the first place.
I think there's been one statement from Bee's regarding their proposed new stadium and that is to the effect of they're working closely with RBC and have identified a site. We'll hear nothing again now until there's a real story to report on progress. They simply go about their business in a professional, productive manor, have direction and have a genuine end game. That's directors acting in the best interest of their company. You can see the difference I'm sure.
Its not SISU that wrote to CSF, its CCFC. You say nobody wants to deal with SISU, I presume you mean the club, yet we have signed deals with Nike / Just Sports and Ticketmaster - was any legal action needed there?
The point people were trying to make was that nobody else was to blame because they aren't CCFC directors.....
It was a perfect comparison, as Bees don't have owners like SISU and are in a mess which it is out of their control. So it isn't all their directors fault, just because their name is down as a director.
It was literally about somebody being a director rather than how hard they are trying, as further back in the thread people were trying to make out that nobody else can be blamed for any issues as they aren't directors.
So they are moving on without us? That implies they are kicking us out.
I don't get it, I thought they wanted to help us and it was SISU who wanted out?
Big contradiction.
Where on earth is the logic to closing it? It's partly funded by the FA and the generation of revenue from it far outweighs the cost for them to run it.
You really need to get your head out of Wasps' backside.
No they weren't. The point that was being made was that ultimately the responsibility for CCFC falls on it's directors. That's not stating that no one else is culpable, that's stating a fact. A fact recognised in law as part of the directors code. You seem to have missed the point altogether if you think people were doing anything else.
Bee's owners may be in a situation that is out of their control but it isn't a mess at this moment in time as they are genuinely seeking a solution. Again, you can see the difference I'm sure.
So why don't they invest in a proper academy if it's profitable ?
Put in a similar application to Wasps at the same location.
However, they are a month late on a formal planning objection so I suggest putting a planning application together may be a bit complicated for them.
So they are going to put in planning for something that is already built, on somewhere they can't be for more than 7 years at a time?
I must say Nick you are good at keeping the debate going . Who s fault is that Higgs, dont want to deal with Sisu ? If Sisu are so hard done too why dont they say okay , We will build our own stadium and academy , OH THEY HAVE , but never delivered have they ! Sisu are full of spin.
Probably, but you would think things being documented would only help..
What does it matter though? Our council doesn't keep minutes on meetings of big decisions and it is fine. CSF could have drawn a spunking cock and faxed it over and people would have been made for it because it "showed" sisu.
Spunking cock analogy. Always a sign of when someone is scraping the bottom of the excuse barrel.
So they are going to put in planning for something that is already built, on somewhere they can't be for more than 7 years at a time?
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