Why do we and SISU expect someone else to provide the basic facilities a football club needs. Why not just build our own academy facility? You never know if they did a proper job we could receive revenue from it 365 days per year and put the revenue towards the playing budget instead of losing players to teams like Bradford and Sheff U.
If I had a house and the tenant wasn't prepared to commit to another tenancy I would find a.n.other ......I wouldn't get involved in trading.
No it isn't, it's a tenant who walked away once before without giving notice andWhere this falls down is, talks between csf and wasps started at least 22 months prior to the end of the current ccfc agreement. Its not like there are just a few months to go and ccfc have said they want to leave. CSF are using the vision as an excuse, and people are lapping up the bollocks.
Its like you renting a 2 bed house out in wood end, and the tenant still has 2 years on his agreement. You notice on his Facebook that he says he would love to one day move to a mansion by the sea (never gonna happen just like the new stadium), and you immediately put the house out to let
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Where this falls down is, talks between csf and wasps started at least 22 months prior to the end of the current ccfc agreement. Its not like there are just a few months to go and ccfc have said they want to leave. CSF are using the vision as an excuse, and people are lapping up the bollocks.
Its like you renting a 2 bed house out in wood end, and the tenant still has 2 years on his agreement. You notice on his Facebook that he says he would love to one day move to a mansion by the sea (never gonna happen just like the new stadium), and you immediately put the house out to let
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You mean after you say sorry we've found a tenant, you need to leave and sorry we can't accommodate you as I'm getting a new hot-tub installed?Spot on. Except change Wood End to near Willenhall and Stoke Aldermoor, and change the mansion near the sea to a normal place near Canley. Then change 'immediately put out to let' to letting them know what you plan to do when the agreement ends, but also state that you are happy to try and accommodate them, tell them you'll set up a meeting, hopefully they will turn up. I love analogies.
Didn't csf give the club notice? Haven't they also said that it wouldn't be possible for the academy to be there when it's done?Spot on. Except change Wood End to near Willenhall and Stoke Aldermoor, and change the mansion near the sea to a normal place near Canley. Then change 'immediately put out to let' to letting them know what you plan to do when the agreement ends, but also state that you are happy to try and accommodate them, tell them you'll set up a meeting, hopefully they will turn up. I love analogies.
You mean after you say sorry we've found a tenant, you need to leave and sorry we can't accommodate you as I'm getting a new hot-tub installed?
Oh sorry, the neighbours aren't happy, do you want to meet? No I can't put what I can offer you in writing, i'm doing this meeting purely for show...
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Didn't csf give the club notice? Haven't they also said that it wouldn't be possible for the academy to be there when it's done?
Those bits get a bit missed, in amongst the meaningless "our doors are open" statements they put out that don't really say anything but divert the blame and anger
Ccfc were given notice weren't they by csf?We've been told to leave?
Maybe in the 70's writing and sending letters backwards and forwards was the way to go, but most dealings where you need to discuss things it's better to meet up first.
Yeah, pretty sure we've been told we have to leave at the end of the current contract.We've been told to leave?
Maybe in the 70's writing and sending letters backwards and forwards was the way to go, but most dealings where you need to discuss things it's better to meet up first.
Spot on. Except change Wood End to near Willenhall and Stoke Aldermoor, and change the mansion near the sea to a normal place near Canley. Then change 'immediately put out to let' to letting them know what you plan to do when the agreement ends, but also state that you are happy to try and accommodate them, tell them you'll set up a meeting, hopefully they will turn up. I love analogies.
Notice that they weren't there or able to be there after the date.Notice to do what, we're just renting it out. Strictly it's not possible to have a academy there now, but it's there due to people meeting up and putting a case together.
It wasn't CCFC who wouldn't commit long termWe (Ccfc) wouldn't commit
And since seeking to make the deal long term the club offered to move the first team to Higgs as well as a show of commitment.“I am told that, at the time our current agreement was signed, Coventry Sports Foundation and the Higgs Trust (then the owner of the facility) were not interested in a long-term lease or even making a rolling 12-month agreement part of our contract.
But we know that Anderson and the club have tried to meet with csf and have written to them to tell them they wish to stay beyond july 2017 and that's with 16-18+ months left on the current agreement.If a contract finishes that means both parties are saying to each other that's the end, or they both 'want to leave' if you prefer.
You can play around with the analogy all you like, the fact remains the club never gave formal notice of their intention to leave - they only expressed a desire to at some point own their own facility.
The club were using Higgs, paying the rent, and at no point had published any plans or made any statement that they were actively pursuing an alternate site. While this was happening, while the club were paying rent to use a facility that was built for them in the first place, Higgs, CSF, CCC and Wasps were colluding with each other - actively planning a development that they knew would result in the academy being homeless and futureless. Oh, not to forget the insertion of clauses that would prevent the club ever developing the site for themselves. The knew exactly what they were doing, and while I'm not convinced Wasps were actively seeking to damage the football club, I strongly believe the others were. But you can pat them on the back for that if you wish.
Nick, it's funny that you keep getting hung up on people believing what CSF/Wasps have said. What have they actually said? They've repeated what our club have said. So are people believing CSF/Wasps or are they believing CCFC? I'd say the latter and that's the issue that needs addressing.
Who wanted the short contract and who refused to discuss extending it?If a contract finishes that means both parties are saying to each other that's the end, or they both 'want to leave' if you prefer.
They gave notice of their intention to leave when agreeing the end date, that's how contracts work isn't it.You can play around with the analogy all you like, the fact remains the club never gave formal notice of their intention to leave - they only expressed a desire to at some point own their own facility.
The club were using Higgs, paying the rent, and at no point had published any plans or made any statement that they were actively pursuing an alternate site. While this was happening, while the club were paying rent to use a facility that was built for them in the first place, Higgs, CSF, CCC and Wasps were colluding with each other - actively planning a development that they knew would result in the academy being homeless and futureless. Oh, not to forget the insertion of clauses that would prevent the club ever developing the site for themselves. The knew exactly what they were doing, and while I'm not convinced Wasps were actively seeking to damage the football club, I strongly believe the others were. But you can pat them on the back for that if you wish.
Whilst on a tangent, I'm now convinced Wasps have deliberately postponed Ricoh talks not because of background noise but in order to put the club under pressure so that they have no choice but to accept a take it or leave it offer with significantly higher rent towards the end of the current deal when the club get desperate.
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They gave notice of their intention to leave when agreeing the end date, that's how contracts work isn't it.
The clause is their to prevent SISU (or similar) signing up to a contract lasting over 7 years, so not really a deal breaker is it, do you think SISU want to develop anything, I don't. You say colluding, others may say working together for mutual benefit.
Pretty much the same as the whole ricoh thing, council say "we want to build trust with the Football club" while they were going through the sale to wasps in secret.
Again, pwkh put that clause in out of spite didn't he? But people want to focus on an article csf have pointed out... It's like some sort of magic trick to get people looking at something else while they do what they want. How easy it must be.
I guess ultimately both parties wanted the contract for that period. I don't know about extention conversations, sorry.Who wanted the short contract and who refused to discuss extending it?
And since seeking to make the deal long term the club offered to move the first team to Higgs as well as a show of commitment.
Ah PWKH, the man that went around tying balloons to the cars of CCFC officials, the man who grossly misrepresented the breakdown in the relationship of the club in respect of the 'unpaid bills' at the AHC, the man who threatened supporters with legal action, the man who (yes, out of spite) made long term ownership/tenureship at Higgs pretty much impossible. Odious individual.
I haven't seen the contract, I've no idea whether either party has to give notice, if they don't need to the argument is a bit of a red herring.Did they give notice they were leaving then? They didn't actually did they?
Wasn't it said that it was higgs who insisted on short term? Also confirmed the club had tried to discuss extensions but got ignored? (Probably because csf were already trying to shoehorn wasps in, as they had been working with them since before they even moved here)I guess ultimately both parties wanted the contract for that period. I don't know about extention conversations, sorry.
Be careful, his family are all lawyers and you wouldn't like them when they get annoyed....
I can't possibly comment, but he did seem very spiteful and angry with his behaviour on here.
What is rubbish?Utter rubbish , not spiteful, not wanting future dealings with a hedgefund , YES.
Be careful, his family are all lawyers and you wouldn't like them when they get annoyed....
I can't possibly comment, but he did seem very spiteful and angry with his behaviour on here.
Nearly as funny as you getting angry at wasps and then taking a mouthful of pr.
They have said it wouldn't be possible haven't they? They have told the club they won't be there haven't they? They have refused to put anything in writing about what they can do haven't they?
Pretty much just an act to make it look like they are helpful and lovely, without actually doing anything. Just to soften any blow or backlash they might get.
What is rubbish?
It's fact! Is this another account from people at the higgs?
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