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lifeskyblue · Nov 14, 2015

Values change and events over the last few years are impacting on those values. As are technological advances. I believe these are pulling in different directions and it will be interesting to see which triumphs in the end. If people feel unsafe and under threat reason and current values will go out of the window.
And as for those saying Isis isn't really Islam that is unbelievably naive. It may not be your understanding of Islam and it may not be your Moslem neighbours understanding of Islam but it is the belief of those carrying out these atrocities. They do this in the name of their God. They do it to promote and instil a particular view of what Islam is.

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Sick Boy · Nov 14, 2015

lifeskyblue said:
Values change and events over the last few years are impacting on those values. As are technological advances. I believe these are pulling in different directions and it will be interesting to see which triumphs in the end. If people feel unsafe and under threat reason and current values will go out of the window.
And as for those saying Isis isn't really Islam that is unbelievably naive. It may not be your understanding of Islam and it may not be your Moslem neighbours understanding of Islam but it is the belief of those carrying out these atrocities. They do this in the name of their God. They do it to promote and instil a particular view of what Islam is.

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Yes that is true but the vast majority reject their view. Most of them are pissed off, as I would be if I was being labelled as a psychopath due to the actions of a tiny minority.

Hang on, that kind of labelling of law abiding people could lead to radicalisation and discontent with the majority?

bringbackrattles · Nov 14, 2015

Nobody has mentioned that these terrorists shout out " God is Great " after killing innocent people. I was brought up in the belief that God is love and so what they are doing is the complete opposite isn't it ? Sorry but it has all left me confused !

Harry Krishner · Nov 14, 2015

Covstu said:
there was a guy in Germany not too long ago had this kind of view against another set of people, didn't turn out too good did it...

Would that be a thinly veiled allusion to Hitler? ..who supported supported repatriation of troublesome elements??

I couldn't resist getting dragged into your hand-wringing session, but here goes.

You will find that most countries in the world operate a policy of deporting people that become troublesome, and definitely do not offer citizenship. This would include the likes of Oman, Bahrain, Singapore, Malaysia, Saudi etc. These places routinely deport people that become surplus to requirements. I am merely suggesting we follow something along the same lines- we are under no obligation whatsoever to endure to type of bullshit currently being played out on the streets of Paris, and neither are we obliged to have to screen or vet an entire community to ensure that they are not planning to blow their hosts up.

Personally I would not include people that have opted out of Islam, and would still operate study/work/tourist visas- but no large, permanent community.

Anyway, do continue with your hand-wringing.

See you after the next mass atrocity.

PUSB.

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

Sick Boy said:
In the real world, every Muslim that I know is disgusted by Isis. Let's not let that get in the way of a bit of racist propaganda on the Internet though! Perhaps I live in a different country and am simply not aware of the ongoing civil war on Britain's streets

Same here. Just went to my turkish barber. He and his mate, both muslims, stressed their disgust at the murder of innocent people. They are so embarassed. Besides ISDIS don't count the Shi-ite muslims as muslims. So I suppose if you ( one ) just hate muslims, you are also hating the ones that hate the haters... you are, of course, also a hater. Only difference being that you ( one ) are a non-muslim people hater. ( Not you Sick boy, but "one" as in "one does" )

Johnnythespider · Nov 14, 2015

Breaking on sky sports that the French football federation are saying that Tuesdays game against England to go ahead

James Smith · Nov 14, 2015

There is nothing wrong with religion as it stands what is wrong is the persecution and violence against those who have different religious beliefs.

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

Harry Krishner said:
Would that be a thinly veiled allusion to Hitler? ..who supported supported repatriation of troublesome elements??

I couldn't resist getting dragged into your hand-wringing session, but here goes.

You will find that most countries in the world operate a policy of deporting people that become troublesome, and definitely do not offer citizenship. This would include the likes of Oman, Bahrain, Singapore, Malaysia, Saudi etc. These places routinely deport people that become surplus to requirements. I am merely suggesting we follow something along the same lines- we are under no obligation whatsoever to endure to type of bullshit currently being played out on the streets of Paris, and neither are we obliged to have to screen or vet an entire community to ensure that they are not planning to blow their hosts up.

Personally I would not include people that have opted out of Islam, and would still operate study/work/tourist visas- but no large, permanent community.

Anyway, do continue with your hand-wringing.

See you after the next mass atrocity.

PUSB.

That is the problem... deporting trouble makers is one thing, but deporting a "large permanent community" is impossible and leads to taking economical short cuts. E.g. put them in buses and cattle wagons and deport them out of the way. When it becomes too expensive to look after them, then..... well we all know what Hitler's henchmen did. Do you really thing we could or should deport/ remove people who become "surplus to requirements"? I think the idea is repulsive.

Sick Boy · Nov 14, 2015

Perhaps we should also consider the same treatment for the elderly, disabled and poor? Then we can work on getting rid of anyone who can't trace their ancestors back to the Magna Carta

Nick · Nov 14, 2015

CCFC said:
Syrian passport found on one of the attackers.

Really? Have you got a link?

James Smith · Nov 14, 2015

Nick said:
Really? Have you got a link?

Customer said the same thing earlier. Although near not on the body.

lifeskyblue · Nov 14, 2015

Bbc live feed of the Parisian bombings at 12:02 has report of Syrian passport

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SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 14, 2015

Nick said:
Really? Have you got a link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...icide-bomber-at-stade-de-france-a6734491.html

lifeskyblue · Nov 14, 2015

'Syrian passport found' on attacker
Posted at 12:02BREAKING
A Syrian passport has been found on the body of one of the attackers, AP reports, citing police sources.

French TV is carrying the same line, but it has not been independently verified by the BB

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Nick · Nov 14, 2015

lifeskyblue said:
Bbc live feed of the Parisian bombings at 12:02 has report of Syrian passport

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If true then it just backs up the need for tighter borders doesn't it?

Nick · Nov 14, 2015

Sick Boy said:
It depends on what the press tell them to think in all seriousness, the British people tend to be resolute in these situations and come together, much like the London Tube Bombings.

Those who like to paint all Muslims as terrorists and suggest genocide, like some posters on here, do not actually integrate with other cultures themselves.

Using their logic there would be no Irish people left in the world as they were all terrorists.

I have missed a few posts on this thread but has anybody suggested killing every Muslim?

SIR ERNIE · Nov 14, 2015

lifeskyblue said:
'Syrian passport found' on attacker
Posted at 12:02BREAKING
A Syrian passport has been found on the body of one of the attackers, AP reports, citing police sources.

French TV is carrying the same line, but it has not been independently verified by the BB

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Reports linking it to the arrest in Germany a few days ago of a man close to Austrian border. He was smuggling and storing machine guns, grenades.

Covstu · Nov 14, 2015

CCFC said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-34815972

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...icide-bomber-at-stade-de-france-a6734491.html

How convenient.....

Nick · Nov 14, 2015

Does make you wonder who puts their passport in their pocket before going it to do something other than go abroad?

smouch1975 · Nov 14, 2015

Covstu said:
there was a guy in Germany not too long ago had this kind of view against another set of people, didn't turn out too good did it...

Covstu always quick to drop a nazi reference in

Love it

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Johnnythespider · Nov 14, 2015

James Smith said:
There is nothing wrong with religion as it stands what is wrong is the persecution and violence against those who have different religious beliefs.

Sorry disagree, raising children to believe in a made up omnipresent being is wrong. They should be told this at the same time they are told Santa isn't real, sorry if that's spoiled Christmas for some of you. I understand it is a minority who use religion to spread there own particular brand of hate but all armies are told that God is on their side before going into battle. For me children should be protected from religion until they are old enough to make up their own mind what to believe, they are far too innocent to take in the complex issues involved and far too easy to fill with a sense that their God is the only God.

Macca · Nov 14, 2015

Sick Boy said:
It depends on what the press tell them to think in all seriousness, the British people tend to be resolute in these situations and come together, much like the London Tube Bombings.

Those who like to paint all Muslims as terrorists and suggest genocide, like some posters on here, do not actually integrate with other cultures themselves.

Using their logic there would be no Irish people left in the world as they were all terrorists.

Everyone would put a few RIP,s on facebook, maybe change their profile picture to the Union Jack ( or maybe not after all thst might be provocative) then go back to a calming mix of cheap booze and Sky sports

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 14, 2015

Another found with an Egyptian passport and another attacker identified as a frenchman

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

Nick said:
If true then it just backs up the need for tighter borders doesn't it?

No.

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

Nick said:
I have missed a few posts on this thread but has anybody suggested killing every Muslim?

No. Just not allowing muslims to live in Europe. Must be removed as "surplus to requirements".

Jack Griffin · Nov 14, 2015

James Smith said:
There is nothing wrong with religion as it stands what is wrong is the persecution and violence against those who have different religious beliefs.

Are you sure, this is a symptom of the disease, (cuntish ISIS claim today).

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

CCFC said:
Another found with an Egyptian passport and another attacker identified as a frenchman

If true then it just backs up the need for tighter borders doesn't it? (Quote) yes, don't let any Frenchmen in to the UK.

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

SIR ERNIE said:
Reports linking it to the arrest in Germany a few days ago of a man close to Austrian border. He was smuggling and storing machine guns, grenades.

Yes, he came in a car from Montenegro, Not a refugee. 8 Kalishmikows, a Pistole, Grenades and explosives. He has said nothing since his arrest.

SIR ERNIE · Nov 14, 2015

Originally Posted by Nick

If true then it just backs up the need for tighter borders doesn't it?

martcov said:
No.

No?

Really?

Seems as though Herr Soeder disagrees with you:

A member of Bavaria's regional government has called for better border controls in the wake of the Paris attacks.Bavaria's Finance Minister Markus Soeder told weekly Welt am Sonntag that Germany needs to know who is entering the country.
The newspaper quoted Soeder as saying that "the days of unchecked immigration and illegal entry can't continue. Paris changes everything."
Bavaria has been the main point of entry for hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to Germany this year.
Soeder was quoted as saying that if Germany's federal government wasn't able to secure the border "then Bavaria can take on this task."

Nick · Nov 14, 2015

Surely it is common sense that countries need to know who is entering the country anyway?

martcov · Nov 14, 2015

No?

Really?

Seems as though Herr Soeder disagrees with you:

A member of Bavaria's regional government has called for better border controls in the wake of the Paris attacks.Bavaria's Finance Minister Markus Soeder told weekly Welt am Sonntag that Germany needs to know who is entering the country.
The newspaper quoted Soeder as saying that "the days of unchecked immigration and illegal entry can't continue. Paris changes everything."
Bavaria has been the main point of entry for hundreds of thousands of migrants coming to Germany this year.
Soeder was quoted as saying that if Germany's federal government wasn't able to secure the border "then Bavaria can take on this task."[/QUOTE]

Yes. He disagrees with me. He is a right wing provincial politician. A Christian Socialist who doesn't like right wing Muslims coming into Bavaria. So what? Your point is?

skybluejelly · Nov 14, 2015

lets just hope this train crash in france is not terrorists as well

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 14, 2015

skybluejelly said:
lets just hope this train crash in france is not terrorists as well

5 more dead, says thought to be no link between the crash and list night.

tisza · Nov 14, 2015

Nick said:
Surely it is common sense that countries need to know who is entering the country anyway?

Schengen countries seem to disagree. Nothing to stop anyone arriving in Portugal for example and driving anywhere else without having documents checked.

tisza · Nov 14, 2015

latest reports are that it was a self-contained cell that had returned from Syria.
Let's hope UK govt is doing a better job keeping an eye on the 100s of UK nationals that have returned from Syria - or is that a breach of their human rights?

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