Franchise - Relocation (3 Viewers)

[stupot07]

How are they going to force them to return?

Yes, I think they will or they will withdraw the golden share.

 

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[stupot07]

He also stated at the forums that the ground share would be in the West Midlands.

Northampton is covered by Midlands today, which is the West Midlands regional bbc news programme

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

He also stated within 5 miles of the city centre. That's good enough for me.

Ah, its sacrosanct because Fisher said so? Where have you been for the last two years?

 

[shmmeee]

I not sure that was his quote. Can you link the interview please?

No. He said "I don't know if they'll build a stadium." Not quite the same thing.

Asked whether he believed the club would build a new stadium, Clarke said: "I don't know, they haven't told me whether they will or not. Everybody is posturing to get a deal, people say things to create impressions. Unreasonable things are happening. We have no power over the stadium owners or the club to tell them how to run their businesses. At some point there will have to be a compromise.

"I can understand why the Coventry fans are outraged. If I was a fan I would be incandescent. But what would have happened if we had refused them permission to share grounds and they could not afford to play?"

From http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/09/coventry-city-northampton-league-one

He does keep saying "Coventry area" though. I'd like some kind of concrete example of the boundaries here.

I think what most are worried about is that the president the FL have set is "tell us you'll liquidate the club and we'll do anything you say". Clarke says as much.

The franchise thing: one one side: where other than Coventry would support a new League team? On the other: wouldn't a valueless club with no fixed location be more valuable than one tied to one city?

I don't think "the FA won't allow it" is an answer, they've shown and admitted they have absolutely no power over clubs doing what they want.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

If they moved 2-5 miles outside the city and within a Coventry postcode then the FL/FA would consider this 'in the Coventry area'. Yes it would be a permanent move but it wouldn't be a 're-franchising'.

You are being pedantic, you know that when people are talking about a permanent move they are talking about uprooting and moving permanently 30+ miles away and changing their name like Wimbledon-MK Dons.

It may not be 'franchise' football; but 5 miles outside the City limits is as good as a permanent move to some. If you're prepared to accept that - for what - well, fine. Try going to Liverpool and telling them that they're not playing at Anfield, but at Birkenhead. You'll get the sort of response I'd expect from any self-respecting fan.

If the move from Highfield Road to 'the soulless' Ricoh was devastating; what for a subsequent move to an even more distant location? And if you're happy to offer limp platitudes to that; that's great. I'm not

 

[shmmeee]

Northampton is covered by Midlands today, which is the West Midlands regional bbc news programme

You really are stretching, claiming Northampton isn't in Northamptonshire! You're not an estate agent are you?

 

[shmmeee]

Yes, I think they will or they will withdraw the golden share.

Well Greg Clake disagrees. He says anything is more important than removing the GS. See the interview I linked to earlier.

 

[Matty_CCFC]

I still think the Ricoh is plan A. It has the possibility of better income streams than any of the alternatives. However it must be apparent to everyone that SISU will have alternative strategies.

The Football League have repeatedly said that fulfilling the fixtures is their number 1 priority. Their second priority is ensuring the club survives (I believe Mr Clarke said liquidation of a member club is the very last thing they would consider) They have sanctioned groundshare, given the share to a company still in breach of their rules, admitted errors that were fundamental to the process, relied repeatedly on the discretion of the Board, etc. They are digging themselves a hole.

What happens if there is no possibility of coming back to the Ricoh, SISU cant actually own a site in the Coventry connurbation or if they do cant get planning consent. What if they SISU then turn round and say we have a site (even an existing site) but it is elsewhere we are moving there because that is the only way a club with the history of CCFC will survive, dear Mr Clarke you cant let the club be lost. Better still do it in the middle of a season when completion of the fixtures is paramount. What would the Football League reaction be ? Anyone confident that the Football League would reject it?

Say it was Nene Park as plan B - I would suspect as an empty stadium the purchase cost is well below the build cost. If it has development land attached a local football community to exploit, a reasonable capacity with room to expand, conference and entertainment facilities already there would that be of interest to SISU? Would owning that ground enhance the value of CCFC + ground together?

Now not saying the above scenario would happen, I still think the first target is the Ricoh but I do think that SISU would give themselves options for that not happening and that doesnt have to be building a new stadium.

Is a franchise possible? yes (no matter what the FL rules say - remember at discretion of the Board)....... is it likely ? no idea at the moment only time will tell. How long ago was Brody going on about Franchises and franchise players, was that just americanism's ? Are links with a lot of fans being broken ? Are the club engaging with the local community in Coventry ? Is there a big presence in Coventry? Is the academy assured anywhere in Coventry? How difficult is it to change the trading name of a comany rather than its actual name (Otium trading as CCFC as we now are instead of CCFC Ltd )? Just questions and I have not made my mind up on any as yet

Final thought by the time they did this there will be a hard core of fans proving that they will travel to Sixfields, whats an extra 10 miles to Nene Park for instance? the search area could be at least a circumference of 34 miles and I am sure the bond could be alleviated because it was everyone elses fault. Are the club proving something ? or is it just necessity

I would not rule anything out right now ...... however unlikely you might think it is...... keep an open mind

Plan A is still the Ricoh but ......

Not what I wanted to read but makes perfect sense./

 

[Houdi]

Northampton is covered by Midlands today, which is the West Midlands regional bbc news programme

Except Northampton is covered by East Midlands today and Looks East. Unless of course you wish to count Midlands Today, covering CCFC's move to Sixfield.

 

[stupot07]

You really are stretching, claiming Northampton isn't in Northamptonshire! You're not an estate agent are you?

Ha ha. No I'm not an estate agent!

 

[stupot07]

Except Northampton is covered by East Midlands today and Looks East. Unless of course you wish to count Midlands Today, covering CCFC's move to Sixfield.

As the kids say, my bad. Could've sworn their play offs were on Midlands today.

 

[shmmeee]

For reference: The CV postcode.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CV_postcode_area_map.svg

Shiptson-on-Sour Arena anyone?

 

[simple_simon]

Also makes sense why Stuart Linnel is so one sided.
He does BBC Radio Northampton?

 

[simple_simon]

I still think the Ricoh is plan A. It has the possibility of better income streams than any of the alternatives. However it must be apparent to everyone that SISU will have alternative strategies.

The Football League have repeatedly said that fulfilling the fixtures is their number 1 priority. Their second priority is ensuring the club survives (I believe Mr Clarke said liquidation of a member club is the very last thing they would consider) They have sanctioned groundshare, given the share to a company still in breach of their rules, admitted errors that were fundamental to the process, relied repeatedly on the discretion of the Board, etc. They are digging themselves a hole.

What happens if there is no possibility of coming back to the Ricoh, SISU cant actually own a site in the Coventry connurbation or if they do cant get planning consent. What if they SISU then turn round and say we have a site (even an existing site) but it is elsewhere we are moving there because that is the only way a club with the history of CCFC will survive, dear Mr Clarke you cant let the club be lost. Better still do it in the middle of a season when completion of the fixtures is paramount. What would the Football League reaction be ? Anyone confident that the Football League would reject it?

Say it was Nene Park as plan B - I would suspect as an empty stadium the purchase cost is well below the build cost. If it has development land attached a local football community to exploit, a reasonable capacity with room to expand, conference and entertainment facilities already there would that be of interest to SISU? Would owning that ground enhance the value of CCFC + ground together?

Now not saying the above scenario would happen, I still think the first target is the Ricoh but I do think that SISU would give themselves options for that not happening and that doesnt have to be building a new stadium.

Is a franchise possible? yes (no matter what the FL rules say - remember at discretion of the Board)....... is it likely ? no idea at the moment only time will tell. How long ago was Brody going on about Franchises and franchise players, was that just americanism's ? Are links with a lot of fans being broken ? Are the club engaging with the local community in Coventry ? Is there a big presence in Coventry? Is the academy assured anywhere in Coventry? How difficult is it to change the trading name of a comany rather than its actual name (Otium trading as CCFC as we now are instead of CCFC Ltd )? Just questions and I have not made my mind up on any as yet

Final thought by the time they did this there will be a hard core of fans proving that they will travel to Sixfields, whats an extra 10 miles to Nene Park for instance? the search area could be at least a circumference of 34 miles and I am sure the bond could be alleviated because it was everyone elses fault. Are the club proving something ? or is it just necessity

I would not rule anything out right now ...... however unlikely you might think it is...... keep an open mind

Plan A is still the Ricoh but ......

Sisu always have another plan!!!

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

For reference: The CV postcode.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CV_postcode_area_map.svg

Shiptson-on-Sour Arena anyone?

No. It's within 5 miles of the city centre, according to Grenduffy, as Fisher told him so in an interview. Perhaps the same interview as the one in which it was asserted the shirt sponsor would be announced 'within 10 days', about three weeks ago; but apparently, 5 miles won't stretch to 15 in the same way 10 days has extended to 21....

 

[Bill Glazier]

Yes, I think they will or they will withdraw the golden share.

But Sisu will just say we won't fulfil our fixtures, at the last minute again no doubt, and the League will capitulate.

 

[theferret]

It may not be 'franchise' football; but 5 miles outside the City limits is as good as a permanent move to some. If you're prepared to accept that - for what - well, fine. Try going to Liverpool and telling them that they're not playing at Anfield, but at Birkenhead. You'll get the sort of response I'd expect from any self-respecting fan.

If the move from Highfield Road to 'the soulless' Ricoh was devastating; what for a subsequent move to an even more distant location? And if you're happy to offer limp platitudes to that; that's great. I'm not

5 miles outside the city limits is very different to 5 miles from the city centre.

I am not sure what is confusing you. Most people I suspect would have no issue with a stadium just the other side of the administrative boundary, and all sites mentioned so far have fallen into that category. Sure, if we start talking about sites 5 miles or more from the city boundary then of course, many would view that differently. As yet however, there has been nothing to suggest that might happen. Could it? Well yes. Will it? Highly unlikely, so why even discuss it? Could TF be a shape-shifting trans-dimensional reptilian humanoid? Perhaps, but until it is confirmed I fail to see why it is worth getting all hot under the collar about.

 

[ccfcmustang]

5 miles outside the city limits is very different to 5 miles from the city centre.

I am not sure what is confusing you. Most people I suspect would have no issue with a stadium just the other side of the administrative boundary, and all sites mentioned so far have fallen into that category. Sure, if we start talking about sites 5 miles or more from the city boundary then of course, many would view that differently. As yet however, there has been nothing to suggest that might happen. Could it? Well yes. Will it? Highly unlikely, so why even discuss it? Could TF be a shape-shifting trans-dimensional reptilian humanoid? Perhaps, but until it is confirmed I fail to see why it is worth getting all hot under the collar about.

A stadium closer to Bedworth than the ricoh would be a disaster!

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Sisu returning to the Ricoh - low probability
Sisu building a new stadium - low probability, they don't have the funds for the build or losses to completion, or the market, or planning permission

So what is left for CCFC to return to Coventry? Sisu selling up.

If they don't sell up there is a reasonable chance we will stumble into a franchise model almost by default.

 

[ccfcmustang]

Sisu returning to the Ricoh - low probability
Sisu building a new stadium - low probability, they don't have the funds for the build or losses to completion, or the market, or planning permission

So what is left for CCFC to return to Coventry? Sisu selling up.

If they don't sell up there is a reasonable chance we will stumble into a franchise model almost by default.

I thikn returning to the Ricoh has the most chance of happening, too much pride between both sides at the minute, one needs to stop being stubborn. (this is what happens when women are in charge of making decisions )

SISU were in the shit a couple of months ago. Haemorrhaging money, no ground, under an embargo, facing liquidation, under admin. fans hated them, offers on the table. If they fought to keep hold of the club then I dont see why they would sell

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

5 miles outside the city limits is very different to 5 miles from the city centre.

I am not sure what is confusing you. Most people I suspect would have no issue with a stadium just the other side of the administrative boundary, and all sites mentioned so far have fallen into that category. Sure, if we start talking about sites 5 miles or more from the city boundary then of course, many would view that differently. As yet however, there has been nothing to suggest that might happen. Could it? Well yes. Will it? Highly unlikely, so why even discuss it? Could TF be a shape-shifting trans-dimensional reptilian humanoid? Perhaps, but until it is confirmed I fail to see why it is worth getting all hot under the collar about.

Fisher has stated he won't return to a location governed by CCC. As such, from the City Centre and falling outside the City Council's jurisdiction; yet within 5 miles, there are only a handful of sites.

They are much more likely to push the boundaries of acceptability and make it five miles from the boundary. Recent behaviour tells us that.

Besides, it's semantics. The badge says Coventry City. That's the City. Not Greater Coventry and District Conurbation.

How can you have a City football team that's not located within the city's boundaries? As that's exactly what Fisher says won't happen

 

[Ashdown1]

I don't know why the thread continues really, SISU have absolutely no intention of building another stadium anywhere !!

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I don't know why the thread continues really, SISU have absolutely no intention of building another stadium anywhere !!

I agree. I just can't comprehend the mindset of anyone who think's that a move to Brandon or Warwick would be acceptable. Coventry City playing outside the city boundary is preposterous. It may not be true 'franchise football', but it is taking a club and locating it exactly where the owner fancies, outside of the location that's clearly stated on the club's shirt FFS

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Warwick university, not Warwick

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Warwick university, not Warwick

Great. Thanks. If only there was such a thing as time travel; and you could scoot back 20 or 30 years, and tell folk that in 2016 we'd be playing third tier football to 1K fans at Warwick University, they'd be delighted with the clarification of our destiny

 

[Grendel]

I agree. I just can't comprehend the mindset of anyone who think's that a move to Brandon or Warwick would be acceptable. Coventry City playing outside the city boundary is preposterous. It may not be true 'franchise football', but it is taking a club and locating it exactly where the owner fancies, outside of the location that's clearly stated on the club's shirt FFS

Never bothered Grimsby fans. I wish they'd find a plot of land round Balsall Common - easier to get to for me.

 

[Sky Blue Ian]

It may not be 'franchise' football; but 5 miles outside the City limits is as good as a permanent move to some. If you're prepared to accept that - for what - well, fine. Try going to Liverpool and telling them that they're not playing at Anfield, but at Birkenhead. You'll get the sort of response I'd expect from any self-respecting fan.

If the move from Highfield Road to 'the soulless' Ricoh was devastating; what for a subsequent move to an even more distant location? And if you're happy to offer limp platitudes to that; that's great. I'm not

But Manchester Utd dont actually play in Manchester, they play in Trafford under the Trafford Council jurisdiction and are nearer to Salford Council jurisdiction than Greater Manchester

 

[hill83]

But Manchester Utd dont actually play in Manchester, they play in Trafford under the Trafford Council jurisdiction and are nearer to Salford Council jurisdiction than Greater Manchester

Several London clubs don't play in the district of their name either. Chelsea play in Fulham for example.

5 miles outside the boundary is too far. But moaning about it being just outside the boundary isn't worth it.

 

[blend]

But Manchester Utd dont actually play in Manchester, they play in Trafford under the Trafford Council jurisdiction and are nearer to Salford Council jurisdiction than Greater Manchester

That's why they're not called Manchester City.

 

[longjohnskyblue]

The FA and FL wont grant a permanent move, we will not be franchised, it's just scare mongering.

Do you mean in the same way the FA & the FL would never allow a team to play out of its home area, or allow clubs to buy players whilst under a transfer embargo, or they would never allow beneficial ownership of the Golden Share (all rules that the league has conveniently decided to allow exceptionsfor sisu)

Once again you have shown your utter ignorance of reality. The FL are a law unto themselves these days. Once they allowed one of their own rules to be broken they opened themselves up to breaking every other rule!

What happens when sisu come back to them saying the ricoh is no longer available? The FL couldn't give a monkeys about the club, only fixtures have to be fulfilled! If it means fixtures get played they will allow an "exception" to the franchise rule.

I thought you were pretending to be ignorant for effect, but when you come out with clear bilge, its obvious you genuinely are as stupid as you sound (suppose clue was in the name!)

 

[James Smith]

We are all speculating wildly when Tim hasn't even shown us any of the promised stadium plans yet.

 

[stupot07]

Do you mean in the same way the FA & the FL would never allow a team to play out of its home area, or allow clubs to buy players whilst under a transfer embargo, or they would never allow beneficial ownership of the Golden Share (all rules that the league has conveniently decided to allow exceptionsfor sisu)

Once again you have shown your utter ignorance of reality. The FL are a law unto themselves these days. Once they allowed one of their own rules to be broken they opened themselves up to breaking every other rule!

What happens when sisu come back to them saying the ricoh is no longer available? The FL couldn't give a monkeys about the club, only fixtures have to be fulfilled! If it means fixtures get played they will allow an "exception" to the franchise rule.

I thought you were pretending to be ignorant for effect, but when you come out with clear bilge, its obvious you genuinely are as stupid as you sound (suppose clue was in the name!)

 

[davebart]

Nene Park is in the arse end of nowhere. It has had two clubs go to the wall while playing there. it is not a location where SISU will be able to sell many pies.

 

[skybluetony176]

But Manchester Utd dont actually play in Manchester, they play in Trafford under the Trafford Council jurisdiction and are nearer to Salford Council jurisdiction than Greater Manchester

but unlike manchester utd who's followed by glory boys from all around the country and the wider world, coventry city's fans for the most part come from coventry or some of the very near surrounding towns of warwickshire. ccfc, like man city is the club that represents the city. you cant say the same about man u so it could possibly move to anywhere in the country and if they had a 120,000 seater super stadium chances are it will get filled.

perhaps ACL should get permision for a huge extention and the approach man u about the move (joke)

 

[Matty_CCFC]

Do you mean in the same way the FA & the FL would never allow a team to play out of its home area, or allow clubs to buy players whilst under a transfer embargo, or they would never allow beneficial ownership of the Golden Share (all rules that the league has conveniently decided to allow exceptionsfor sisu)

Once again you have shown your utter ignorance of reality. The FL are a law unto themselves these days. Once they allowed one of their own rules to be broken they opened themselves up to breaking every other rule!

What happens when sisu come back to them saying the ricoh is no longer available? The FL couldn't give a monkeys about the club, only fixtures have to be fulfilled! If it means fixtures get played they will allow an "exception" to the franchise rule.

I thought you were pretending to be ignorant for effect, but when you come out with clear bilge, its obvious you genuinely are as stupid as you sound (suppose clue was in the name!)

He must actually work for SISU as no one can be this stupid