Evo1883
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Based on what though ?
Based on what though ?There’s been lots of people on twitter saying that Lampard is the best option available to us
Yep, you can't hide that.I agree, but he's statistically Evertons 2nd worse manager, that's a fact.
He’s a big nameBased on what though ?
I shall provide. FWIW I’m neither one side or t’other.
My mate phoned me today and said lampard was the best available .. I just said do you mean the biggest name ?
That's the reality isn't it
On other side of coin are there really people out there who love king and hate robins? Are there really people out there who say lampard is the best manager out there?
I don't think so. I feel like you make shit up to get angry about personally. You start arguments with anyone over it in fact.
Been smarting ever since the coaching news came out. Thought this would be done with by now. Unfortunately not. Hopefully now we back to games everyone can move on to something different
Based on what though ?
Of course hes a big name. But it could still workMy mate phoned me today and said lampard was the best available .. I just said do you mean the biggest name ?
That's the reality isn't it
Yep, you can't hide that.
Doesn't automatically mean he'll be that bad for us though.
Managers have failed at certain clubs and been successful at others, we just don't know how it'll go if he does end up being appointed.
I'm on City's side and I'll get behind Lampard but I'm baffled by people trying to make out his record's decent.
If Leicester got rid of were trying yo bring him in no ine would be saying that's a good appointment, they'd be pissing themselves.
Not my aim. Just think you have picked and side and refuse to hear any other side now that's all.I think behind this for me there’s a worry about the scouting generally that we aren’t finding hidden gems but actually quite obvious buys (Rudoni, EMC, even Weight to an extent) players who pop up from one good season at the top of lists. Not much funding those with great fundamentals like we used to. If those same people are running the manager search we aren’t going to find a hidden gems, just the obvious names.
You and a few others with your opinions are desperate to make this personal. I’ll leave the observation at that.
In his first season, he then got the following season in January with the side in 9th.His win rate at Chelsea is decent
But not bemused by any attempts to put down any positives he could possibly bring?I've said it on another post, I remember the meltdown when Sillett and Curtis were appointed and look how that worked out?
Just bemused by the attempts to big up his managerial career so far.
Would you agree that for some there is no sufficient replacement (maybe true) but even more worrying people want it to fail spectacularly just for DK to look a bit daft and MR to look like he’s the winner in all this? I’m getting so much of that vibe.
I hear what you're saying, and I'm not one of those. But I've seen the list of candidates (grim) and Lampard being deemed the strongest is probably sillier.Also: the ‘reinstate Robins’ cries on socials are the depths of embarrassment for me. Shouldn’t have been sacked but that’s just beyond silly.
I don't want any appointment to fail, but there's just something about the Lampard thing that doesn't feel right.I don't think one person wants it to fail. Maybe the odd loon.
What it does remind me of it the Reid situation.
I turned on Reid quickly, which I rarely do on a manager.
But it was quite obvious early on that his heart wasn't in it and he didn't want to be here. I very much doubt that will happen with Lampard.
As for King, his fan club baffle me, football club owners shouldn't get that much love so I think for them people, what some of us see as healthy scepticism, they see as hate.
In his first season, he then got the following season in January with the side in 9th.
Healthy scepticism is fineI don't think one person wants it to fail. Maybe the odd loon.
What it does remind me of it the Reid situation.
I turned on Reid quickly, which I rarely do on a manager.
But it was quite obvious early on that his heart wasn't in it and he didn't want to be here. I very much doubt that will happen with Lampard.
As for King, his fan club baffle me, football club owners shouldn't get that much love so I think for them people, what some of us see as healthy scepticism, they see as hate.
This is it. Hard to see us being embroiled in a relegation battle under this ownership/recruitment/coaching setup, but hard to envisage us being genuine promotion candidates moving forward. Even if we were to spend big in January I wouldn't trust a recruitment team who've had 18 months to replace Gus with at the very least one CM who profiles similarly and have failed miserably. More likely we're set to return to the uninspiring days of 2001-2012I think behind this for me there’s a worry about the scouting generally that we aren’t finding hidden gems but actually quite obvious buys (Rudoni, EMC, even Weight to an extent) players who pop up from one good season at the top of lists. Not much funding those with great fundamentals like we used to. If those same people are running the manager search we aren’t going to find a hidden gems, just the obvious names.
You and a few others with your opinions are desperate to make this personal. I’ll leave the observation at that.
100% if we’re being pragmatic. Of all the candidates actually in the running. Of course people like Moyes and Potter (plus other European managers) are better managers but they’re unlikely to be a) interested or b) affordable.
But not bemused by any attempts to put down any positives he could possibly bring?
Having an opinion and questioning his achievements is deemed as wanting us to failBut what if people don't see positives, or don't agree with what people are saying are the positives?
Why shouldnt they say so?
Then need to do it respectfully without labelling those that are open to lampard anti robins or pro king.But what if people don't see positives, or don't agree with what people are saying are the positives?
Why shouldnt they say so?
To be fair they should it’s a forum after all. Long as we back them on the pitch, could care less who agrees and disagrees. Least we all want what’s best for the clubBut what if people don't see positives, or don't agree with what people are saying are the positives?
Why shouldnt they say so?
Now we’re talkingHamer player manager?
Healthy scepticism is fine
But saying he's lying about everything is not more than that
Calling asst manager gormless twat because he has to take reigns after a sacking isn't healthy scepticm imo
Calling those that don't detest long his fanclub isn't healthy scepticm
Truth is you are the extremist here so to speak
And I'm not trying to rile you here either. Just my opinion like how you just have yours.
Then need to do it respectfully without labelling those that are open to lampard anti robins or pro king.
I think that's fair
Exactly. Just like fanclub isYou're making things up
I said Carr came across as a gormless twat in his first interview, which I think he did.Was a comment on his first interview nothing else.
I know King has told lies I'm not going in to it because I can't be arsed arguing about it. Football club owner lies is hardly a startling revelation. But as fans we should always have a bit of suspicion of them,surely sisu taught us that.
And you keep using this word 'detest' I don't think anyone should detest King, its a ridiculously strong word.
Exactly. Just like fanclub is
The forums becoming two extremes..
I'm here on middle trying to bring everyone together.
Join me clint. Like old times
Robins shouldn't have gone when he did.
Don't believe everything king says
But be open to fact he isn't at fault for everything
Hope the next manager gives us memories like robins did
We can all agree on that?
Ok I'm drawing a line under this then with youWell I actually came round to say Robins being sacked was right.
Not because I agreed with it but because you can't gave an owner and manager at loggerheads, it's no good for the club, but when they are, ones got to go, and it's not going to be the owner.
And I've never blamed King for everything, not once.
No I’m putting the poo emoji as you say you are in the middle, despite actually when Frank was first linked you were being fairly combative supporting him and putting down anyone who didn’t fancy him for the jobOk I'm drawing a line under this then with you
But look at ccfckssparks putting a poo emoji on:
Robins shouldn't have gone when he did.
Don't believe everything king says
But be open to fact he isn't at fault for everything
Hope the next manager gives us memories like robins did
That shows the extreme side of twats on here imo
I agree the list is uninspiring, I wouldn't be excited about any of them, I'd maybe be ok with Rosenior, but at this point I'd just be delighted if it's anyone (within reason) other than Lampard.100% if we’re being pragmatic. Of all the candidates actually in the running. Of course people like Moyes and Potter (plus other European managers) are better managers but they’re unlikely to be a) interested or b) affordable.
None of the other managers in the running have even got a promotion. Let alone a Top 4 finish and/or FA Cup final.
I am supportive of him that's why. And I'll argue why I believe that to be the caseNo I’m putting the poo emoji as you say you are in the middle, despite actually when Frank was first linked you were being fairly combative supporting him and putting down anyone who didn’t fancy him for the job
That's all fine, but I'm not 'you guys' and I've never said a single word about Lampard's achievements.You guys are infuriating. People keep posting things along the lines of “why is nobody talking about him getting a top four finish??” And others are explaining why that isn’t seen a great achievement and then you’re all like “Oh so it has to be a great achievement” well yes because you said it was!!
Fucking chess with pigeons man.
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