Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (9 Viewers)

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Used for what? You want the “protesters” shot? The army aren’t trained in crowd control.

Neither are the police from what I'm seeing . What do you suggest if the situation deteriorates further ? Hand out a few leaflets?

 

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[MalcSB]

Yes it’s helpful to know the context of something to understand a motive or reason. For example, I understand the reason that particular twitter account posted that video, and not others.

Love you x

People on Twitter don’t have to present a balanced view, unlike the BBC (who am I kidding). The crime is attacking people in cars, not failing to publish other videos. Were there “other videos” from yesterday that you would have wanted to see published? Were they published elsewhere? If not, how do you know there were any videos personally acceptable to you that weren’t published?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Everyone needs to just calm the fuck down and leave all the WhatsApp/Telegram groups they’re in.

How ironic .

 

[shmmeee]

Neither are the police from what I'm seeing . What do you suggest if the situation deteriorates further ? Hand out a few leaflets?

What do you mean by “deteriorates further”?

id expect curfews first TBH. Most of those involved are U18. Not sure what dragging the army in is supposed to do. Where would you put them? What would they do? It’s just something people say like it’s GTA and the army is just the super police

 

[Nick]

Rubbish.

you’re saying people on here stated “things didn’t happen, it’s all Russian bots”, now you’re changing it.

You were banging on about this all night as if you actually want that to be the case, harassing Otis for example who was repeatedly saying the same thing over & over that undoubtedly things happened, and there are a load of accounts stirring things up. Which is true.

You’re exaggerating, making things up because for some weird reason you want it to be the case.

No I'm not exaggerating. I pointed out the clear difference in how Russian bots suddenly became a thing.

I'm not making things up, this account was fired up to pile onto me.

"Harassing?" Get a grip.

 

[wingy]

No I'm not exaggerating. I pointed out the clear difference in how Russian bots suddenly became a thing.

I'm not making things up, this account was fired up to pile onto me.

"Harassing?" Get a grip.

Except he's not is he? would you want to imply he is?

 

[Otis]

I wonder where the spiritual leadership were?
Quite odd to not send them out with instruction?

Yeah, could have really helped if they had got some Imans

The irony is people really are trying to pretend things didn't happen and it was all Russian bots.

No-one said things didn't happen and no-one said it was all Russian bots

Great politician's answer though

The only things people said didn't happen, were the ones where the police said it didn't happen.

All that was said was that we shouldn't just instantly believe everything we see, because that machete attack, that was completely fake, looked very, very realistic.

The guy attacked at the pub, the old guy getting beaten up in the street, the black kid getting punched in the face, no-one has said they didn't happen. They looked 100% legit

As someone else said, when some of these videos are coming from dubious accounts though, it is right and proper to just reflect and wait to confirm that they are real.

We know the machete attack was faked. Are there others and if so, which ones?

It's all very well-reasoned and rational and not what you are painting it to be, Nick

I see a fake account, I then wonder if the video is fake too. Only natural.

 

[chiefdave]

Jess Phillips trying to excuse the behaviour

Odd that the tweets she made before that haven't been posted in here, people need to stop cherry picking things to try and point score and look at the wider picture.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No I'm not exaggerating. I pointed out the clear difference in how Russian bots suddenly became a thing.

I'm not making things up, this account was fired up to pile onto me.

"Harassing?" Get a grip.

you said “people are trying to pretend things didn’t happen and it was all Russian bots”

That’s not true is it? Hence now you’re saying you were just pointing out how bots became a thing, climbing down, changing what you’re saying you said.

Stop lying.

And if getting wound up about blatantly racists posts on the site is a ‘pile on’, I don’t know what to say to you.

 

[Nick]

Except he's not is he? would you want to imply he is?

He's not want, firing up this account to pile onto me?

Maybe he can answer

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah, could have really helped if they had got some Imans

No-one said things didn't happen and no-one said it was all Russian bots

Great politician's answer though

The only things people said didn't happen, were the ones where the police said it didn't happen.

All that was said was that we shouldn't just instantly believe everything we see, because that machete attack, that was completely fake, looked very, very realistic.

The guy attacked at the pub, the old guy getting beaten up in the street, the black kid getting punched in the face, no-one has said they didn't happen. They looked 100% legit

As someone else said, when some of these videos are coming from dubious accounts though, it is right and proper to just reflect and wait to confirm that they are real.

We know the machete attack was faked. Are there others and if so, which ones?

It's all very well-reasoned and rational and not what you are painting it to be, Nick

I see a fake account, I then wonder if the video is fake too. I my natural.

yep

maybe I’m wrong but I didn’t see anyone saying “nothing happened, it was all Russian bots”

dangerous twisting of actual events.

 

[MalcSB]

Zero comparison, surely.

This bloke there is right in the coppers faces and they have clearly told him to back off and he doesn't.

If they allowed him to continue, others would have joined in and it would have become a problem. The last thing they needed, was hundreds of people right in their faces.

That's completely different to a tasered man who is on the floor, no longer a threat and getting kicked in the head.

Absolutely chalk and cheese.

One guy, tasered and on the ground, against one guy, standing, confronting the police, with the potential with many others to join in and a group of probably a hundred angry people behind him.

I totally disagree, the pissed up dick head wasn’t being aggressive. There was no suggestion that others would join in. In fact, the coppers action was more likely to provoke a violent reaction from the mob than to have left him alone, stumbling along in his drunken state.

It was violent and unnecessary, especially when you see the level of police response to, say, a marauding mob invading a pub or attacking cars.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What do you mean by “deteriorates further”?

id expect curfews first TBH. Most of those involved are U18. Not sure what dragging the army in is supposed to do. Where would you put them? What would they do? It’s just something people say like it’s GTA and the army is just the super police

A national curfew . Fantastic idea. That'll work. Can I go to Tesco at 7pm or are pensioners exempt anyway?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He's not want, firing up this account to pile onto me?

Maybe he can answer

I just did answer. I had a go at a few people actually, for what I interpreted to be racist posts. And now I’m pointing out that you’re being disengenous by making out people were saying things that they weren’t. If you want to class that as a ‘pile on’ then ok.

 

[jordan210]

This all plays very nicely in to the gov hands for wanting more censorship and control.

Like the Lord peer who was calling for covid style response.

 

[Nick]

you said “people are trying to pretend things didn’t happen and it was all Russian bots”

That’s not true is it? Hence now you’re saying you were just pointing out how bots became a thing, climbing down, changing what you’re saying you said.

Stop lying.

And if getting wound up about blatantly racists posts on the site is a ‘pile on’, I don’t know what to say to you.

Yes. People are pretending things didn't happen. I even quoted what was said. Yes people are very much trying to play it down as bots when it's other people being attacked.

You know exactly what I'm talking about about firing up this account for a pile on. Let's not pretend that either.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

You might want to read back through.

"Nobody was attacked"

I'm not lying. The same as when I said you only fired up this account for a pile on.

Thats disingenuous and you are becoming very tiresome Nick, what's wrong with you last few days.
Its dead simple. I said I hadn't been online watching videos so wasn't up to speed and had only watched Sky until 9pm. I never said brum attacks by locals didnt happen or was lies just I that I personally hadnt heard about it and only read about it later on BBC website when it was published. I avoid twattter for information as its untrustworthy. Putting number of attacks in perspective you are focusing on one or two areas out of about 20 flashpoints. Just to be clear all hatred and violence is abhorent but in this case the racist, chavs looting and screaming at police officers are deliberately seeking provocation.

 

[MalcSB]

Yeah, I would like to know how close the police were to that incident, or if they weren't, were they dealing with something else. Would love to hear their explanation.

They were probably having tea and cakes on the local hospital car park,

 

[wingy]

A national curfew . Fantastic idea. That'll work. Can I go to Tesco at 10pm ?

No they kick out now!
Losing trade!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yes. People are pretending things didn't happen. I even quoted what was said. Yes people are very much trying to play it down as bots when it's other people being attacked.

You know exactly what I'm talking about about firing up this account for a pile on. Let's not pretend that either.

Who exactly said that “nothing happened, it was all Russian Bots?” Your words, not mine.

 

[Otis]

I totally disagree, the pissed up dick head wasn’t being aggressive. There was no suggestion that others would join in. In fact, the coppers action was more likely to provoke a violent reaction from the mob than to have left him alone, stumbling along in his drunken state.

It was violent and unnecessary, especially when you see the level of police response to, say, a marauding mob invading a pub or attacking cars.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

Where is the rest of that video, because I would love to see it

Bet you a pound to a penny, the coppers there tell the bloke to back away several times.

 

[Nick]

I just did answer. I had a go at a few people actually, for what I interpreted to be racist posts. And now I’m pointing out that you’re being disengenous by making out people were saying things that they weren’t. If you want to class that as a ‘pile on’ then ok.

Yeah, could have really helped if they had got some Imans

No-one said things didn't happen and no-one said it was all Russian bots

Great politician's answer though

The only things people said didn't happen, were the ones where the police said it didn't happen.

All that was said was that we shouldn't just instantly believe everything we see, because that machete attack, that was completely fake, looked very, very realistic.

The guy attacked at the pub, the old guy getting beaten up in the street, the black kid getting punched in the face, no-one has said they didn't happen. They looked 100% legit

As someone else said, when some of these videos are coming from dubious accounts though, it is right and proper to just reflect and wait to confirm that they are real.

We know the machete attack was faked. Are there others and if so, which ones?

It's all very well-reasoned and rational and not what you are painting it to be, Nick

I see a fake account, I then wonder if the video is fake too. Only natural.

Maybe it's people's eyes playing up missing the "nobody was attacked"?

Its not well reasoned at all. Its weird how people change as soon as the attacker and victim change.

Again, zero people questioned the accounts posting other videos of the weekend and won't going forward.

The head of a refugee charity posted a fake thing about a Muslim person being acid attacked. Didn't they?

 

[Nick]

Who exactly said that “nothing happened, it was all Russian Bots?” Your words, not mine.

Can't remember saying it was all one person.

 

[Evo1883]

Paloma faiths statement is good

I too am the father of 2 half athiest children

 

[MalcSB]

You said it would NOT be reported.

It's BEEN reported.

You should have said "it won't be reported on any of the sites I want it to be reported on and the ones it is reported on, don't count, unless I say so."

Thats more @Jamesimus territory

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Maybe it's people's eyes playing up missing the "nobody was attacked"?

Its not well reasoned at all. Its weird how people change as soon as the attacker and victim change.

Again, zero people questioned the accounts posting other videos of the weekend and won't going forward.

The head of a refugee charity posted a fake thing about a Muslim person being acid attacked. Didn't they?

I think you’ll find that people were saying there are false accounts on both sides stirring things up, too. Which is true.

you’ve nowhere to go here, you stated that people said nothing happened and it was all Russian bots. That’s just a lie, there’s no getting around it.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

In the midst of all this anger and point scoring does anyone think what's happening might put people off from coming across the channel in small boats ?
Just putting it out there.

 

[TomRad85]

Paloma faiths statement is good

I too am the father of 2 half athiest children View attachment 37506

Half Muslim wanted to get it in there but wasn't sure how was she.

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[MalcSB]

Anyway, finding this all pretty exhausting so logging off this thread.

I’ll freely admit my view isn’t balanced on this, but I don’t think it’s the time for a balanced view imo. I’ll be out there this week if needed, but I personally think the attendance of the far right will fizzle out very soon and the reactions they have caused in other communities therefore will also fizzle out.

Apologies to any posters I’ve argued with in the thread it’s nothing personal @Nick @Evo1883, it’s just a subject that particularly riles me up. Also @MalcSB called me a twat but that’s true so you can have that one @MalcSB!

I’ll be annoying everyone in the football threads from this weekend. Especially you @GIMOC

I’m sure you are not always a twat, just being more bothered about who publishes videos than the content of the videos seems a bit twattish at the the time. Sorry about that.

 

[Nick]

I think you’ll find that people were saying there are false accounts on both sides stirring things up, too. Which is true.

you’ve nowhere to go here, you stated that people said nothing happened and it was all Russian bots. That’s just a lie, there’s no getting around it.

Were they? Before yesterday who was questioning the validity of videos when it was white racists.

Yes, somebody clearly said nobody was attacked in Birmingham.

Yes, it's being brushed away as bots.

Yes, you got an alarm so fired this account up.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Half Muslim wanted to get it in there but wasn't sure how was she.

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My kids are just white

 

[wingy]

Half Muslim wanted to get it in there but wasn't sure how was she.

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Careful, you could get misconstrued!🫣

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

My kids are just white

My children are half Catholic, any points for that!

 

[TomRad85]

Another new day, has anyone had their opinion changed on anything during the 2 billion more posts that occurred since last night?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

My children are half Catholic, any points for that!

Haha. Can you be " half" any religeon ? I never thought of that. Surely you're either in or you're not .
We're all C of E but never go. We'd all be catholic if it wasn't for Henry VIII.