General Election 2019 thread (19 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

Maybe we should stop pensioners who own their own house having enjoyed affordable housing and free education from voting as they’ve had their fill so it’s nothing to do with them.

Maybe we should stop people with terminal illnesses from voting. Afterall it’s not their future.

Or maybe just maybe we should all stop being dicks and except that not only is there lessons to be learned at a young age there’s also lessons forgotten at an old age and the only way to get a cross section of society opinion is to let a cross section of society have a vote. Just because the only way you can find happiness is by being a miserable capitalist doesn’t mean a section of society who is more likely to vote socialist shouldn’t be allowed vote. The irony of saying that they’re too young when you don’t even have the maturity to see that they’re entitled to an opinion and a vote is staggering. Grow the fuck up you moron.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

M&B Stand said:
albeit one who prefers a system underpinned by free market capitalism!

It’s called the Nordic Model. Which is indeed socialist.

Monners · Nov 28, 2019

Grendel said:
Why do you come across as a sad bitter man all the time with a colossal chip on your shoulder

It’s you that’s pathetic and urgently need to address your own failings

Genius
You actually rasied a titter at my end

Grendel · Nov 28, 2019

Monners said:
Genius
You actually rasied a titter at my end

I take responsibility for my own life - to blame other people and other generations is pitiful

Walsgrave · Nov 28, 2019

Grendel said:
Perhaps you’d like to explain where labour will find £60 billion not costed even on their laughable costed manifesto?

Who will pay for that?

fatso said:
But they are promising what they cant deliver, who is paying for all their manifesto promises, if it were that easy, why hasn't it been delivered already?
Corbyn would bankrupt the nation, with his spend spend spend policy, and to help with the consequences, Then when people wake up and kick labour out of office, the tories (or whoever) inherit a financial nightmare, and they will be forced to re introduce austerity all over again.
We've done the hard work, I cant believe people will vote for a "boom and bust" future all over again.

It isn't going to be easy, but just because something has not been implemented before, it doesn't mean its not worth pursuing, otherwise politics would not exist as a practice.

What people predict is purely speculative, but there is good reason to refute the simple explanation that a Corbyn government would amount to 'boom and bust'. What Corbyn proposes is a version of social democracy similar to the 1960s when many industries were under public ownership, education was free and rigorous. Before we suggest that this was 'the past', I would like to suggest that a more equal society acts against the bulwark of the inevitably more isolated world the UK will inevitably face if/when it exits the EU. This is not merely about redistributing money from rich to poor - its also a fundamental rethink of the way we think about what constitutes an 'acceptable' distribution of income and wealth. With unfettered capitalism, we have billionaires/CEOs earning unjustifiably more than the lowest paid of their companies - and Labour's policy is about minimising these unsustainable/immoral ratios by targeting the richest.

Labour's manifesto, however incorrectly one might interpret it, has actually fully costed its policies - unlike the Conservative manifesto which shirks from offering detail of its policies let alone how they will be costed, and completely shuns the impact of Brexit.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

Grendel said:
I take responsibility for my own life - to blame other people and other generations is pitiful

Unless they’re under 21 apparently.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

Walsgrave said:
It isn't going to be easy, but just because something has not been implemented before, it doesn't mean its not worth pursuing, otherwise politics would not exist as a practice.

What people predict is purely speculative, but there is good reason to refute the simple explanation that a Corbyn government would amount to 'boom and bust'. What Corbyn proposes is a version of social democracy similar to the 1960s when many industries were under public ownership, education was free and rigorous. Before we suggest that this was 'the past', I would like to suggest that a more equal society acts against the bulwark of the inevitably more isolated world the UK will inevitably face if/when it exits the EU. This is not merely about redistributing money from rich to poor - its also a fundamental rethink of the way we think about what constitutes an 'acceptable' distribution of income and wealth. With unfettered capitalism, we have billionaires/CEOs earning unjustifiably more than the lowest paid of their companies - and Labour's policy is about minimising these unsustainable/immoral ratios by targeting the richest.

Labour's manifesto, however incorrectly one might interpret it, has actually fully costed its policies - unlike the Conservative manifesto which shirks from offering detail of its policies let alone how they will be costed, and completely shuns the impact of Brexit.

According to the IFS the Lib Dem’s has the most credible manifesto and they expect a £50B windfall from cancelling Brexit. So basically if we vote to remain in Labour’s Brexit referendum apparently they’ll only have to find £10B. Which in the big scheme of things is easy.

SkyblueBazza · Nov 28, 2019

Walsgrave said:
It really works both ways. Your argument of 'been there, done that', is no stronger than that of 'I'm about to do that; but I want a say on what the conditions are like when I do eventually achieve x and y'. There is nothing preventing older people from actually giving younger people the advice on how to vote - and this will be personal to each individual - but to suggest that the only way to do this is to let older people only decide is completely undemocratic..

I didn't suggest it, did I?

Personally, for what it's worth - I think if you're old enough to be trained to fire a gun for your country - you have the right to say who should decide if you fire it, & who at.

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SkyblueBazza · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Maybe we should stop pensioners who own their own house having enjoyed affordable housing and free education from voting as they’ve had their fill so it’s nothing to do with them.

Maybe we should stop people with terminal illnesses from voting. Afterall it’s not their future.

Or maybe just maybe we should all stop being dicks and except that not only is there lessons to be learned at a young age there’s also lessons forgotten at an old age and the only way to get a cross section of society opinion is to let a cross section of society have a vote. Just because the only way you can find happiness is by being a miserable capitalist doesn’t mean a section of society who is more likely to vote socialist shouldn’t be allowed vote. The irony of saying that they’re too young when you don’t even have the maturity to see that they’re entitled to an opinion and a vote is staggering. Grow the fuck up you moron.

Should certainly prevent you from voting

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skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

A headline from just before the vote at the last general election Theresa May will win biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher, final election poll predicts

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

Grendel said:
Why do you come across as a sad bitter man all the time with a colossal chip on your shoulder

It’s you that’s pathetic and urgently need to address your own failings

Literally

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Should certainly prevent you from voting

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Naa. I’m a tax paying home owner over the age of 21 so apparently I qualify. Dom on the other hand is apparently too immature to form the opinion that Grendull agrees with so I’m not sure exactly what Grendull is saying. Is it an admission that he’s got it all wrong? Who knows.

By the way Dom I’d never begrudge you your opinion or the right to vote how you see fit just because you’re young enough to still enjoy the exuberance of youth.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Literally

You do realise that it’s Grendull who thinks that you’re not mature enough to form the opinion that he agrees with? No one else, not even Corbyn.

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

IFS say Tories plan is austerity on steroids and they still have a budget black hole, government says it plans to increase immigration.

wE kNoW wHaT wE vOtEd FoR!!

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Naa. I’m a tax paying home owner over the age of 21 so apparently I qualify. Dom on the other hand is apparently too immature to form the opinion that Grendull agrees with so I’m not sure exactly what Grendull is saying. Is it an admission that he’s got it all wrong? Who knows.

By the way Dom I’d never begrudge you your opinion or the right to vote how you see fit just because you’re young enough to still enjoy the exuberance of youth.

skybluetony176 said:
You do realise that it’s Grendull who thinks that you’re not mature enough to form the opinion that he agrees with? No one else, not even Corbyn.

He said people shouldn't vote till there 21? I am 21?

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

M&B Stand said:
albeit one who prefers a system underpinned by free market capitalism!

No such thing as free markets.

But yes I favour a mixed economy. I said socialist not communist. Whatever is best for society as a whole. Government shouldn’t make trainers, ability to pay shouldn’t prevent you from getting treatment or education, where we can all chip in to save costs and pool risk we should.

It’s not rocket science really. Do what works. When we aren’t sure, do some trials and pick the best.

I’m not properly a socialist as i believe no ideology sums up the human condition and we should be constantly experimenting and testing results. But it’s the closest to my core beliefs

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
He said people shouldn't vote till there 21? I am 21?

Imagine that at the stroke of midnight you went from being not mature enough to vote to being mature enough? Now tell me, what did you learn in that nano second that you didn’t know at 20.

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Imagine that at the stroke of midnight you went from being not mature enough to vote to being mature enough? Now tell me, what did you learn in that nano second that you didn’t know at 20.

God you are talking some shite

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
God you are talking some shite

One thing you learn as you get older is that there’s no shame in saying “I don’t understand”

Grendel · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Imagine that at the stroke of midnight you went from being not mature enough to vote to being mature enough? Now tell me, what did you learn in that nano second that you didn’t know at 20.

Tony the person whose voted Tory his whole life other than a brush with UKIP - it’s comedy gold

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
God you are talking some shite

Not really. Apologies I got your age wrong but the point is simple. How much did you learn in that nano second that qualified you mature enough to vote?

It’s your generation he’s having a go at by the way not mine. I’m the one sticking up for your generation.

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Not really. Apologies I got your age wrong but the point is simple. How much did you learn in that nano second that qualified you mature enough to vote?

It’s your generation he’s having a go at by the way not mine. I’m the one sticking up for your generation.

Well i voted in 2017 so i know what I'm voting for and what my beliefs are... i was still over 18

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 28, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Part of leadership is about highlighting all the areas of need & providing a realistic vision with a route to get there. So we need the leaders in government to raise young people's issues. The fact that so many don't or they aren't listened to says a lot about the rest of us in general.

On the other hand - heard about some research that showed that bad choices in situations tend to made more frequently by those with less experience of the situation or similar situations.

So one might argue the younger voters are more easily swayed as to what the main issues are, & are more likely to make the wrong choice as to what to do.

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Sounds almost like you’re saying we should listen to experts there Baz. Except on climate change of course.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

Grendel said:
Tony the person whose voted Tory his whole life other than a brush with UKIP - it’s comedy gold

That’s not even accurate. I’ve voted Tory more than any other, I’ve voted Lib Dem’s once and Labour twice in general elections. I’ve voted for “The Man” once in a European election but unlike when you did it I didn’t do it as an approval of policy and every other time I bothered to vote in the EU elections I couldn’t say for sure but I think I always voted green. Always voted Tory in council elections.

Comedy gold is you know all this as I must have told you a dozen times now but yet you continue to fabricate something thinking you’re clever using fantasy to prove a point. You seriously need to grow up. I admire Dom, he’s displaying the exuberance of youth and he should embrace that even if I do disagree with him. You on the other hand are a prick who has to use fantasy to point score.

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Well i voted in 2017 so i know what I'm voting for and what my beliefs are... i was still over 18

Who did you vote for in 2017?

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
You seriously need to grow up. I admire Dom, he’s displaying the exuberance of youth and he should embrace that even if I do disagree with him. .

Most youth my age are Labour voters i feel so im glad i share a different opinion mate!

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Who did you vote for in 2017?

Conservatives

skybluetony176 · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives

There you go then, that’s my point exactly. You didn’t have a Cinderella moment at the stroke of midnight when you turned from an immature 20 year old socialist into a mature 21 year old conservative. You already knew your mind. In 2017 according to Grendull you wasn’t mature enough to actually agree with him, as I know he also voted Tory in 2017. He’s patronising you.

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Sounds almost like you’re saying we should listen to experts there Baz. Except on climate change of course.

James O’Brien made a good point about the same people who rubbished the IFS Brexit predictions now hailing them as infallible when costing Labours manifesto.

FWIW I think there’s a balance and the IFS is very small c conservative when it comes to big changes. But at least Labour have tried to identify where new growth would come from, even if you disagree with it. The government can’t even be arsed to produce their own Brexit costings and just want us to ignore all the other ones.

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Conservatives

Were you a Tory pre-Brexit or were you too busy shagging and drinking cider down the park to pay attention? (Not a slight, teenagers should be shagging and drinking and not discussing politics unless it’s linked to shagging and drinking IMO)

SkyBlueDom26 · Nov 28, 2019

shmmeee said:
Were you a Tory pre-Brexit or were you too busy shagging and drinking cider down the park to pay attention? (Not a slight, teenagers should be shagging and drinking and not discussing politics unless it’s linked to shagging and drinking IMO)

Both and Daily just not drinking cider

Philosoraptor · Nov 28, 2019

And another one...

Grendel · Nov 28, 2019

shmmeee said:
Were you a Tory pre-Brexit or were you too busy shagging and drinking cider down the park to pay attention? (Not a slight, teenagers should be shagging and drinking and not discussing politics unless it’s linked to shagging and drinking IMO)

Tony? Care to comment?

shmmeee · Nov 28, 2019

Philosorapter said:
And another one...

Appropriate:

stupot07 · Nov 28, 2019

Alexander is too scared to be interviewed by Andrew Neil lol.

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