General Election 2019 thread (26 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Conservatives have started to adjust which seats they are targeting now as their internal polling is showing the gap tightening. They're putting more money than they planned to into seats they already occupy.

Was just reading about that. Their advertising seem to have moved to a much more defensive strategy suggesting they aren't as confident as the polls would suggest they should be.

 

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[chiefdave]

I don’t see it as depressing

if I was presented with an option of Lobster, Squid or Octopus I wouldn’t force myself to eat one. I would decline to eat.

I’ve never really understood the argument of people died so you could vote. I assume they died for the right of self determination which includes the right to elect not to vote

Have to say I find it depressing as well. There's a difference between having the right not to vote and wanting to vote but not being able to find a single candidate worth voting for.

The FPTP system doesn't help either. Unless you live in a marginal its basically all a waste of time.

 

[Grendel]

Conservatives have started to adjust which seats they are targeting now as their internal polling is showing the gap tightening. They're putting more money than they planned to into seats they already occupy.

Labour seem surprised the great NHS document reveal was met with groans

now they have announced they are going to the north seats to assure their voters that they have a Brexit plan

I would strongly urge them to start with their prospective candidate for Hartlepool as the chap is giving live TV interviews saying it’s not really a second referendum but an endorsement to leave

 

[Philosoraptor]

The idea of ignoring the decision of the EU referendum and offer another referendum on their own deal probably won't change a lot of minds of Labour voters in Labour leave voting areas whom voted to leave and who.are now thinking about voting for another party.

The damage has already been done with the policy of offering another referendum which includes a get out of the decision already made by the electorate clause by offering remain as an option.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The iidea of ignoring the decision of the EU referendum and offer another referendum on their own deal probably won't change a lot of minds of Labour voters in Labour leave voting areas whom voted to leave.

The damage is in the policy of offering another referendum which includes a get out of the decision already made by the electorate clause.

HAHAHAHAHA Labour trying to appeal to leave voting areas, because that is going to go down well with them offering another referendum with remain being an option

 

[Deleted member 5849]

the 21 year old

lies!

 

[The coventrian]

HAHAHAHAHA Labour trying to appeal to leave voting areas, because that is going to go down well with them offering another referendum with remain being an option

They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.

They should of had a change of leadership in 2017 mate, Corbyn in charge has lost them lots of votes

 

[Grendel]

They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.

To be fair as I’ve said before I have little time for McDonnell and his very extreme past but at least he carries some conviction and authority. He dies care about issues and would want to change things as he (not me) would see for the better

Caroline Flint is another politician who clearly cares about her constituents and is an excellent MP

The latest influx are the opposite. The labour candidate in Coventry NW I know will never set foot in the place again once she gets elected

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Thats not true is it

Well he's a known liar, will happily use racist, sexist and inflammatory language, agreeing to allowing a friend to attack a journalist, every employer he's had has said he was terrible and has no attention to detail whatsoever (leading to him getting a British national and extended prison sentence because he wasn't paying attention).

All he has is the buffoonish posh boy act which might distract the masses who enjoy laughing at him but won't impress statesmen. They'll just eat him alive and the trade deals I can see him getting will have us yearning for the days when we had the EU deals.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour. .

Yet homelessness and food bank usage is increasing? What's the point of more employment if less people can provide for themselves with it?

 

[Walsgrave]

They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.

Except that most sixth formers cannot vote (only upper sixth formers born between September - November). Far bigger age generalisations can be made about the Conservative Party voters, however...

 

[Grendel]

Except that most sixth formers cannot vote (only upper sixth formers born between September - November). Far bigger age generalisations can be made about the Conservative Party voters, however...

People should not be able to vote until 21

 

[Walsgrave]

The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I've been a union member for over 30 years, and worked on factory shop floors for over 37 years, but I cant continue to vote labour under Corbyn's leadership.

I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.

We also have to contend with the fact that although employment offers a form of security, it alone is not sufficient to help the working class - this needs to be supplemented with good quality conditions, high morale, etc. On these aspects, I cannot find many positives with recent Conservative Party policy.

 

[Walsgrave]

People should not be able to vote until 21

And what makes older voters more deserving?

 

[fatso]

Yet homelessness and food bank usage is increasing? What's the point of more employment if less people can provide for themselves with it?

House prices outstripping wage increases doesnt help, there are families where both parents work full time, yet still cant afford a mortgage/rent, yet the demand (and subsequent price) of housing is still increasing,
And still, certain politicians are actively encouraging more people to come to a country that cant accommodate those that are already here.

 

[Grendel]

And what makes older voters more deserving?

It’s not a case of deserving it’s a case of understanding life issues of taxation, home ownership etc

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'm sure maths didn't work like this when I was at school.

No this is good. It means at our next game we should have a crowd of around 10-12k and increasing every subsequent fixture. Whether we reach the play-offs or not we'll be needing Wembley just to fit the crowds in by the end of the season.

 

[fatso]

I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.

We also have to contend with the fact that although employment offers a form of security, it alone is not sufficient to help the working class - this needs to be supplemented with good quality conditions, high morale, etc. On these aspects, I cannot find many positives with recent Conservative Party policy.

It also requires a population prepared to help itself, and take a practical and moral approach to improving its lot.

 

[Walsgrave]

It’s not a case of deserving it’s a case of understanding life issues of taxation, home ownership etc

There are as many, if not more, issues affecting the young than the old. If we restricted the franchise further to over 21s. we would neglect issues such as age pay gaps, young people getting on the housing ladder etc. I used to take the view that 16 year olds should not get the vote but having been exposed to the ludicrous idea that older peoples' issues matter more etc, I changed my mind.

 

[Grendel]

I agree that the Conservatives have put in place some decent measures to help the working class - the income tax threshold rise for instance. But don't forget that correlation does not imply causation. Unemployment during Labour's firts few years was significantly lower than that of the Thatcher years, and the global financial crisis put paid to this impressive record continuing.

We also have to contend with the fact that although employment offers a form of security, it alone is not sufficient to help the working class - this needs to be supplemented with good quality conditions, high morale, etc. On these aspects, I cannot find many positives with recent Conservative Party policy.

Perhaps you’d like to explain where labour will find £60 billion not costed even on their laughable costed manifesto?

Who will pay for that?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They are a pathetic joke arent they. How can anyone vote for corbyn McDonnell and abbott is beyond me. The labour party resembles some sixth form protest party.

As opposed to those that vote for Alexander, Gove, Hancock, Truss.....The Conservatives resemble a private school privilege party

 

[shmmeee]

The irony is, that more working class people are in employment under the Tories than there were under labour.
I'm no fan of Johnson, I've been a union member for over 30 years, and worked on factory shop floors for over 37 years, but I cant continue to vote labour under Corbyn's leadership.

What employment though? Wages down. Productivity slow. Hours worked down. “Self employment” up.

 

[Grendel]

There are as many, if not more, issues affecting the young than the old. If we restricted the franchise further to over 21s. we would neglect issues such as age pay gaps, young people getting on the housing ladder etc. I used to take the view that 16 year olds should not get the vote but having been exposed to the ludicrous idea that older peoples' issues matter more etc, I changed my mind.

I would imagine if your living in a care home having paid massive amounts of taxation or a child of such a parent you may think that a 21 year old whining that he may have to give up his mobile phone or his nice car to pay for a house is just a little bit trivial

 

[Walsgrave]

It also requires a population prepared to help itself, and take a practical and moral approach to improving its lot.

I appreciate that people have different views but I would argue that this time round, Labour are creating the conditions under which that can be made more likely. It is a cliché but education for me is key - and what Labour propose with respect to funding for adult education - both vocational and academic - can help to break down the phenomenon we have today where only tte monied have access to the best opportunities, and where pre-18 achievement determines most people's outcomes in life.

 

[chiefdave]

People should not be able to vote until 21

And what makes older voters more deserving?

Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!

 

[Grendel]

As opposed to those that vote for Alexander, Gove, Hancock, Truss.....The Conservatives resemble a private school privilege party

The private school comparison is not valid. A lot of labour MPs went to schools that are now private including Corbyn, McDonnell, Starmer and Abbott.

 

[Grendel]

Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!

Nice

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Just tell us the truth FFS !!!

Sadly, I think in reality - most people only think they want the truth. When actually given the truth - they shy away...& go with what they want to hear or at least something more palatable to them

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[Walsgrave]

I would imagine if your living in a care home having paid massive amounts of taxation or a child of such a parent you may think that a 21 year old whining that he may have to give up his mobile phone or his nice car to pay for a house is just a little bit trivial

I think it's important to understand that young people's issues should not be downplayed and that what you propose is a form of ageism and is completely against democracy. Not giving young people a say on, for instance, the cuts affecting schools, vocational education etc moves us further towards the autocratic part of the political spectrum. Sure, you can reason all day that older people have 'done their time' so to speak - and I agree with you in this regard - but its clutching at the straws a bit to say that young peoples' aspirations/hopes are not significant enough to allow them to vote!

 

[shmmeee]

As opposed to those that vote for Alexander, Gove, Hancock, Truss.....The Conservatives resemble a private school privilege party

The coventrian thinks people who went to a posh school are his betters and should rule over him no matter how incompetent.

 

[shmmeee]

Was just reading about that. Their advertising seem to have moved to a much more defensive strategy suggesting they aren't as confident as the polls would suggest they should be.

Its expectation management. Cummings started it before the MRP came out with his blog post. Can’t risk the sheep getting complacent and not giving Boris his blank cheque.

 

[Walsgrave]

Maybe we should stop all the senile OAPs voting!

Never really understood the argument that we should bring other people down to recognise other people's achievements. Older people have paid their taxes and for that I'm sure most if not everyone is grateful, but proponents of raising the voting age somehow think that this means we should strip younger people (which will also go through this very process of paying taxes and what not) of the vote!

I think it must mean that such proponents are either incredibly insecure about their own achievements despite having been on planet earth for many more years; or they just think they're inherently better!

 

[Grendel]

I think it's important to understand that young people's issues should not be downplayed and that what you propose is a form of ageism and is completely against democracy. Not giving young people a say on, for instance, the cuts affecting schools, vocational education etc moves us further towards the autocratic part of the political spectrum. Sure, you can reason all day that older people have 'done their time' so to speak - and I agree with you in this regard - but its clutching at the straws a bit to say that young peoples' aspirations/hopes are not significant enough to allow them to vote!

I’m not suggesting that I’m saying they have zero experience of actual real life

I guess if there was a crises in pre school education then we should have votes for 4 year olds

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It’s not a case of deserving it’s a case of understanding life issues of taxation, home ownership etc

Home ownership? So virtually everyone under 30 is out then. What about the rich 20-somethings living off daddy while Joe Bloggs got a job at 16 straight from school? What about older generation who have no idea of the issues of todays regarding the environment or the housing crisis? The ones that constantly talk about 'the foreigners' despite often being the people who don't actually know any? What about those youngsters that are caring for relatives or had children at a young age? There is way more to understanding life issues than economic ones.

There are many issues regarding voting age, but for me the right to put an X in a box should be available to those younger than those who are legally considered responsible enough to have and care for children.