fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
The points you make may be true and it may also be true that some voters are thick
The points you make may be true and it may also be true that some voters are thickUtter shite
Corbyn a man of principle? He’s a dinosaur rabble rouser out of his depth. Even people with talent in his own party viewed him with contempt
He is like a bloke who sells computer games for a living and says he’s got the latest think gets everyone excited and pulls out his Atari. His brand of socialism was condemned to the rubbish bin decades ago
Unlike Jeremy Corbyn Alan Johnson is a comprehensive educated man with a working class background. Read his comments on Corbyn
This man of principle can’t even bring himself to apologise or resign. He’s clinging on to his salary for as long as he can - any other leader whose led a car crash would have gone
Stoo blaming these press and oh so thick Sun readers - you sound like that whining bitch Owen Jones
Typical lazy left winger attitude .We want our arses wiping all our life.
Everyone should pay their way. What's wrong with a couple of quid a week? Theyd have to cut down on the lambert and butler intake.
Starmer is a self indulgent oaf
The media may have given him a rough ride but a fair bit was fed from inside the Labour Party. Nobody from the Tory side was leaking Andrew Fisher's email for example.
You make it sound like there's only one newspaper. Mirror, Guardian and Independent have all given Corbyn support.
All these papers have carried columnists and stories that have attacked Johnson's character - whether it be on his changeable support for Brexit, his personal life or other issues. All have made hay with relationship with his brother and tried to flame the story about that American girlfriend for example.
I fail to see how Corbyn and the people around him are so naive about how modern vote-gathering works (rightly or wrongly that's the "game"). It is about sound bytes etc.
People aren't going to sit there trying to figure out nuances.
All those sons and daughters of miners with a bloody good reason to hold grudges, decided to vote Tory... it’s a sign of the times that people are prepared to vote with their heads rather than hearts.
I think the point was why does this shit not stick to Johnson but it does to Corbyn?
With Corbyn it's "that's terrible!". With Johnson it's "well, that's Boris isn't it".
So people should fund children so that parents can enjoy a cosy lifestyle? Why?
Yes I am aware it’s socialism but the UK doesn’t look like it’s going to go for it any time soon, all it does is lead to decades or Tory rule.
The river has dried up.
Cutbacks.
Thatcher created a society where if you actually worked hard you made something of your life and not a woe is me my daughter can’t see a tree bleating shite
No it really didn’t
Corbyns strategy was based off a computer game salesman selling an Atari as new technology and believing the working class was dumb enough to follow him
think it's more to do with Johnson just shrugs it off but Corbyn gives the appearance that it gets to him.I think the point was why does this shit not stick to Johnson but it does to Corbyn?
With Corbyn it's "that's terrible!". With Johnson it's "well, that's Boris isn't it".
What about those that worked hard in the pits she closed? Bet most of those were much harder working than the yuppies that made a mint. Most of those wouldn't have lasted a week down a pit. I know I wouldn't.
In some alternate universe you get the anti-Thatcher closing all the financial services and telling them "move up North, grab a pick-axe and get down that mineshaft. If you work hard you get rewarded"
And they keep going on about no money being spent on the area and then actually go and vote for the Tories.
Some of the vox pops that have been on since the election have been eye opening. Seen people saying they switched from Labour to Conservative due to lack of funding for the NHS, the bedroom tax, too many homeless, number of food banks even a vague things have gone downhill the last few years.That beggars belief. They don’t invest in here so I voted for them
It was an interesting viewpoint from Kate hoey and one of the campaign organisers (can't remember his name) that Labour had become far too focused on larger metropolitan constituencies at the expense of other smaller constituencies.Until the country stops being Londoncentric the country is going to have problems, nothing about the Tories or Brexit is going to change that though.
Many voted for Johnson now you clueless twat
What would you do re-open the mines? The war was between an elected government and a Marxist movement led by KGB employed Marxists like Scargill who oddly retained a very affluent lifestyle
There are disturbing similarities to Corbyn and his abuse of Jewish protesters
Your comment here is equally as bad as the one referring to protesters in London as sad wankers.
Honestly, when did it become so nasty and devisive to have differing opinions.
As for the lies, All politicians lie, be cause the public cant handle the truth. As a nation we are 1.8 trillion pounds in debt, servicing that debt, let alone reducing it, is never going to be possible while delivering what their manifestos promise.
But they have to keep up the rediculous pretence to "buy" votes. So in short, it's not the lies that's the problem, but the total lack of political awareness of so many of the public.
What are you talking about?
There are people saying they work in nursery care. They have kids of their own and you're telling them to get back to work. In order to do so they have to take those kids and put them in the childcare that they work for. End of the week they get paid £x as the employee. Then they have to be the client and pay the bill. That's £x + £y.
How is this 'funding a cosy lifestyle'? It'd be like you having to pay £4k pm in travel per month to get to a job you get paid £3k pm to do.
These 'people' make me feel sick. It's a true say that many people get involves in charity to enhance their image. I have no problem with the latter but it definitely has no place in the charity sector - to me, true charity is about not about harping on about how great one's initiative is - rather, about helping those who are subject to it. The fact that she has lowered the charges in the past few hours just shows that she was (and possibly still is) profiting from it. Such people are bottom tier.The party of the people profiteering on misery Foodbank app run by newly elected Tory MP charges charities to use it
#plebs
Do you know what I’ve got from reading through this thread? How divisive politics has become in this country and how supporters from both sides have become so extreme.
Tory voters have gone from rich, silver spoon fed selfish oafs to thick, stupid, Brexit voting northerners!
And if you dare to support Labour you are a snowflake leftie who hates their country.
It’s wrong on so many levels and there seems to be no middle ground. I literally didn’t know where my vote was going until about 30 seconds before I put my cross in the box due to agreeing with policies from both sides (and yes it was either Labour or Tory for me) yet that vote seems to pigeon hole me in one extreme or the other.
It really is a toxic environment we live in, in the moment.
All those sons and daughters of miners with a bloody good reason to hold grudges, decided to vote Tory... it’s a sign of the times that people are prepared to vote with their heads rather than hearts.
Who knows what he may dream up?I assume these projects will involve bridges between Yorkshire and Lancashire & Edinburgh and Glasgow.
This result is the best thing that could happen to labour.There was certainly a fair proportion of Labour who' desire to get rid of Corbyn and Momentum almost made them want to lose to do so. Just don't think they ever envisaged it being so bad leaving them with a very hard road back.
This result is the best thing that could happen to labour.
A chance to purge themselves of the loony left extremists and re brand as the real labour party.
The party founded to represent the interests and needs of the working class, I genuine honest party, one that didn't bullshit It's voting base, a party founded on liberal socialism, not angry, middle class, university educated, faux Marxists.What is the real Labour?
Or possibly some of these communities were mining areas where Wilson had closed the pits or maybe Corbyn & momentum reminded them of scargill and his NUM. Will Remain areas ever forgive the Tories?I wonder how much timing plays with this. The mining crises are about 35 years ago now, therefore you’ve got an entire generation that may feel fairly unopinionated on the matter.
So in practical terms what would you bin from the manifesto and what would you replace it with?The party founded to represent the interests and needs of the working class, I genuine honest party, one that didn't bullshit It's voting base, a party founded on liberal socialism, not angry, middle class, university educated, faux Marxists.
Or possibly some of these communities were mining areas where Wilson had closed the pits or maybe Corbyn & momentum reminded them of scargill and his NUM. Will Remain areas ever forgive the Tories?
I think you're right that the scars for many eventually heal and people focus on what they believe to be current issues - not historical ones.
So in practical terms what would you bin from the manifesto and what would you replace it with?
Glad you semi-agree. To be honest I know little of Scargill and the battles so you may be right there. People my age know it anecdotally rather than directly. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are plenty that side with their parents/grandparents(?) and feel the injustice, but there will be a decent sized 20-something audience who’s lives have not been affected and they don’t know of the struggle.
Might be worth doing a bit of research on Scargill, and then decide who was most instrumental in the collapse of the mining industry.I think a lot of people were tired of unions. Particularly car manufacturing. I read a stat that Red Robbo was involved in 530 strikes in the late 60s / seventies. The members turned and eventually went back to work.
Thatcher came at the time when people needed change and she had the perfect formula at the time. A lot of young people embraced it. Then the stockpiling of coal to break the miners...
Many people saw the injustice and brutality of the closure of pits. It devastated communities. But others were under the spell of Thatcher et al. And had Michael Foot and Kinnock as the other choices.
in my view the silent majority chose the lesser of the two evils. And hopefully killed the Corbyn plan (I never really heard what Labour were going to do because they were too busy shouting and always seemed to be bitter,nasty and the vocal ones just ranted. Scary for the silent majority of voters.
What changed for the young voters. Some clearly like Corbyn but I didn’t see droves at polling stations. Maybe they saw through the dreamland Corbyn was creating for them?
As for sanctity of the vote...I think it is saved for a while now. We didn’t buy Corbyn. Many needed Brexit to be done..scary as that may seem to Remainers and leavers alike.
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