Covstu
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All I see on Facebook is labour voters bad mouthing the tories and vice versa. Both fail to actually demonstrate what their own parties are delivering, it’s all just muck throwing.
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Ian1779
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Don’t say that to him.... we’re in the shit with recruitment!!!
I know the pressures of the job, poor leadership at school and governance level and lack of worklife balance are big factors in why people quit - but honestly it’s the best job I’ve ever had...
Ian1779
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I don’t quite agree with this, supporters will probably do that to be fair, but one of the parties is clearly setting out their plans for the future - the other just going ‘Grrrr Corbyn’
Covstu
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Not talking about the parties, it’s the supporters of those parties. One side I get the mail, the other side the guardian and angry voice. Both sides think they are 100% true and try to ram it down your throat. Just logged on 2 mins ago and had one of each as an example, both about the resigned politicians from each side ironically! For me if you believe in a party then fine back that manifesto but it just seems to be a game of rubbishing the other parties line. Has a feel of the same dull discussions about whether you are pro or anti SISU
shmmeee
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I do like to think at least a handful of people remember what I teach them by the time they sod off
Hahaha. I’m saying a handful do. I’m also saying a handful can’t vote in a majority government.
shmmeee
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Best and worst for me. Very much dependent on the school and overall terrible for my mental health. But the moments when it’s good, ooohhh it’s good.
Astute
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One side having a go at Corbyn and the other side telling us what they will do but are hiding the cost from everyone.
Election 2019: Civil service chief refuses to reveal cost of Labour’s plans
Cost soars for Labour’s grand pledge to reshape the economy | Financial Times
Labour plans for utilities would cost the UK £200bn, says CBI
So what is best? Not hide with bullshit comments or come out with a manifesto that would cost too much or not be followed through.
The last thing we need is major overspend that means the Tories get back in and make more savage cuts. But do we want a manifesto not followed through?
Otis
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Tom Watson leaving is going to hurt Labour isn't it.
Doesn't matter if you are of a left leaning, or indeed, how far left, I am talking in terms of a perception of people of the UK general.
It's like me with the Greens. I quite like them, but I know they are not going to get into power.
Doesn't matter if you are of a left leaning, or indeed, how far left, I am talking in terms of a perception of people of the UK general.
It's like me with the Greens. I quite like them, but I know they are not going to get into power.
Yes I think it’s bad news. Watson is seen as the moderate side of labour and it becoming more about Corbyn will put a lot of centrist voters off, I’d imagine. Maybe good need for the LDs.
I read that the greens are the most liked party in the U.K. today, in terms of what percentage of the population have a favourable opinion of them. Shame they’re too small to move that into votes.
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Otis
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It's bad isn't it when you have to look at maybe who you don't what in power rather than who you do.
I don't care much at all for the Lib Dems at the moment, but would certainly vote for them if I thought it would stop Boris Johnson staying in power.
Astute
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I don't like any of the leaders of the bigger parties. I normally like at least one but still vote Labour instead :smuggrin:
shmmeee
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OK, one by one:
The first article is about an attempt by the Tories to use the civil service to produce costs for random things Labour have said. Not all parties, just Labour, and not the manifesto, just random things people have said (the manifesto isn’t out yet, last time Labours was the only costed manifesto of the major parties FYI). It was disgraceful overreach and close to breaching purdah and that’s why it was stopped. Nothing to do with “hiding”.
The second is also a guess but better.
The third is a hit job by a lobby group for business that they had to admit was based on guesswork and included things Labour have specifically said they wouldn’t do as well as only counting the costs and not the revenues or assets created.
No one is hiding anything. Labour will produce a coated manifesto just like before.
If you want to go off things people have said alone, the Tories are also promising spending that will take us back to where we were in the 70s in terms of share of GDP (not that I think that’s a bad thing, just showing the scale) Except their plans also include shrinking the economy with hard Brexit and they have a record of fucking up public services with costly and unnecessary reorganisations for ideological reasons. The right don’t understand public sector at all. It’s a mystery to them why people work without profit motive or how to do joined up government. Their ideology is small state and leave it to the individual and market to work out. That’s fine if you like that, but it’s not a recipe for effective public spending.
You are getting massive spending either way. It’s probably wise to go with the party that knows what to do with it.
Astute
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Nothing will be costed. Or when do you think it will happen? Parliament is no more. No having to say anything until after the event.
Random things? What do you mean by this? It is what McDonnell has said will happen if Labour get in.
There is guesswork as Labour hasn't come out with the details.
Wise to go with those who know what to do with it? Who is that?
You think it is good to go with spend spend spend again? It has to be paid for at some time. And it normally comes down to savage cuts in the future to pay for it. This certainly isn't ideal.
Astute
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And now McDonnell has pledged another 150b on top of the rest. All done with borrowing.
Labour and Tories to unveil economic plans
Doesn't this worry you at all?
Labour and Tories to unveil economic plans
Doesn't this worry you at all?
skybluetony176
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Our GDP is over £2trillion and the cost of government borrowing is at a record low. Aside from the fact that whoever gets in is going to be borrowing into the billions the stars have aligned and now is the most favourable time in decades to borrow and invest as a government. I’d be more concerned about a party looking to keep borrowing at a minimum right now. You make hay when the sun shines as the old saying goes and right now it’s shining.
Astute
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SkyBlueDom26
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Things falling apart for Corbyn already, what a shame:emoji_smiley:
skybluetony176
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Just for balance, because I know Astute likes balance. This is one of Tony Bliars cronies who stood up and heckled Corbyn in Parliament when he criticised Tony Bliars invasions of Iraq following the publication of the Chilcot enquiry. So just to be clear. A man who doesn’t think Tony Bliar is a war criminal is telling people not to vote for someone who thinks he is.
chiefdave
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This sort of thing from Ian Austin must rank as one of the most predictable things to happen so far in the election campaign!
Astute
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I suppose you are correct. He didn't like the way Labour are going under Corbyn. That is why he resigned from the Labour party.
The big surprise was the deputy leader Tom Watson resigning. Another one who doesn't agree with the way we are going. Something doesn't seem right. Wouldn't be surprised if he was pushed. But whatever the reason all isn't well.
shmmeee
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For balance: Johnson has literally purged the One Nation Tories from the party and an ex chancellor and father of the house are both saying don’t vote Tory. Which is a touch more damning than Ian Austin who has been anti Corbyn for decades and wasn’t kicked out.
Brighton Sky Blue
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He didn’t like the move from Tory lite and abstaining on every vote?
SkyBlueDom26
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Your party is crumbling, just admit it
Johnnythespider
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SkyBlueDom26
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You'll be upset at the result then when its a conservative majority
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Excellent debate again. Have we been invaded by 5yos?
SkyBlueDom26
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Why do you tag on everything i say? Do you fancy me or something
Grendel
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Are you joking - it’s hugely significant and is being discussed as such in the media
D
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Yep, why do I. I do have better things to do than engage with a puerile, infantile moron tbh.
However, in a wider sense...
The language of 'winning' and 'losing' is a bit pathetic really. this isn't about personalities, and getting one over them. This is about the future of our country. Now, I know some Conservative voters and, while horrified, I can understand why they do if they own a small business and find it easier for them to develop, or something like that. In that respect, I have to bow to their personal choice and agree to differ. They too can be adult enough to do the same to me.
To reduce an election to the idiocy you reduce it to needs calling out, however, because it's the total incompetence of people such as yourselves that destroys society, and wrecks any chance of an adult debate about things that can cost me my job, cost my family their future and, for that matter, cost you your livelihood. It makes politics a culture of SHOUTING and risks escalation, where policies end up personified and thus end up ignored, while the messenger is bated like some medieval bear fight, tormented and destroyed until they do not want to fight for the likes of you anymore.
You, sir, are a moron, a delinquent, a mindless buffoon, a septic scrotum and a stain on society, who oozes slime across the airwaves. You are a disgrace to yourself and I am ashamed on your behalf.
But... I also need to remember that there are times when you need to remember it is unfair to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Bye now.
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It is undeniably surprising, inasmuch that his loyalty has been to the party for so long, if not the leader. You'd think he'd at least encourage a Lib Dem vote if he was going to revolt!
Could be an election where various people pushed or jumping out of their parties, decide when to hit the red button and attempt to damage former colleagues.
Astute
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Whose words do you think hold most weight? Those kicked out or those who choose to leave.
It can be what you want it to be.
SkyBlueDom26
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Fucking hell bet your fun at parties, you need to stop being so serious about a bit of bants
Astute
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But from what we have seen so far he chose to leave.
Something doesn't seem right to me though.