General Election 2019 thread (44 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

I'm not against it in principle.

But close to 40 billion to be able to give away free internet even to those who can afford it? And have to pay hundreds of millions a year to keep it going?

Show us the details on the other utilities and we can make our minds up.

Listening to the experts (who we've supposedly had enough of), neither Labour or Tory broadband plans are achievable for sometime.

 

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[Covstu]

Listening to the experts (who we've supposedly had enough of), neither Labour or Tory broadband plans are achievable for sometime.

Surely it’s not as simple as turning it on for everyone, what about costs of routers, huge increase in infrastructure to cope with the demand? It’s a nice idea but doesn’t seem too thought through

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why not show unemployment rates at the start and end each time a different party takes over? The graph is clear. It goes up each time under Labour and down each time under the Tories.

Thinking about it why do we vote Labour knowing this? I am starting to doubt my voting history.

Let's suppose Party A takes charge with unemployment at 5%. It then goes up to 7% and stays at this rate for the whole term except for the last month where it goes down to 4.5%. What a great job they've done!

Then Party B takes over. They manage to have it go down to 4% and it stays at this rate for the whole term. Unfortunately in the last year it doesn't go well and goes up to 6% at the end. What a bad job they did!

But it seems clear in your mind that everything the Tories do is great and everything Labour did was a mistake. Stop being a hack

 

[clint van damme]

Surely it’s not as simple as turning it on for everyone, what about costs of routers, huge increase in infrastructure to cope with the demand? It’s a nice idea but doesn’t seem too thought through

When Johnson announced it in his inaugural speech they had a guy on who said it wasn't possible in the timescale (can't remember exactly what the time scale was) and he didn't even mention cost just feasibility.
I think there are bigger priorities for the pair of them in the short term at least.
If they think it's so important why don't they set up a cross party committee after the election to get it delivered? Won't happen because it's just posturing.

 

[Astute]

Listening to the experts (who we've supposedly had enough of), neither Labour or Tory broadband plans are achievable for sometime.

That is my take on it. Many of billions spent but would take 10 years or more.

 

[Astute]

Let's suppose Party A takes charge with unemployment at 5%. It then goes up to 7% and stays at this rate for the whole term except for the last month where it goes down to 4.5%. What a great job they've done!

Then Party B takes over. They manage to have it go down to 4% and it stays at this rate for the whole term. Unfortunately in the last year it doesn't go well and goes up to 6% at the end. What a bad job they did!

But it seems clear in your mind that everything the Tories do is great and everything Labour did was a mistake. Stop being a hack

But that hasn't happened though has it.

Labour took it up to nearly 11%. The Tories took it down to 5%. Labour took it up to 7.5%. Now the Tories have taken it to record employment.

How are you going to twist this one?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But that hasn't happened though has it.

Labour took it up to nearly 11%. The Tories took it down to 5%. Labour took it up to 7.5%. Now the Tories have taken it to record employment.

How are you going to twist this one?

As usual ignoring everything between. It went up under Labour at the end of their time in office during a global recession. For the most part, it was low and stable. But now we have loads of people in part time, temporary and low income work and you hail it as a Tory triumph.

It's pretty obvious who you should vote for. They've done such a marvellous job and can do no wrong in your eyes. If it was low under Labour, it's because of the Tories. If it was high under the Tories, it's because of Labour.

Just take off the tinted glasses for once

 

[Grendel]

As usual ignoring everything between. It went up under Labour at the end of their time in office during a global recession. For the most part, it was low and stable. But now we have loads of people in part time, temporary and low income work and you hail it as a Tory triumph.

It's pretty obvious who you should vote for. They've done such a marvellous job and can do no wrong in your eyes. If it was low under Labour, it's because of the Tories. If it was high under the Tories, it's because of Labour.

Just take off the tinted glasses for once

Im amazed no one has yet run a league table of unemployed % across the Eu - also if you want a Blair style government I may suggest Labour in its current guise is not a very good comparison

 

[SBAndy]

But that hasn't happened though has it.

Labour took it up to nearly 11%. The Tories took it down to 5%. Labour took it up to 7.5%. Now the Tories have taken it to record employment.

How are you going to twist this one?

It was nowhere near 11% under Labour. ONS has the unemployment position at 5.3% when Labour lost control in May 1979.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im amazed no one has yet run a league table of unemployed % across the Eu - also if you want a Blair style government I may suggest Labour in its current guise is not a very good comparison

Enter partisan hack #2

 

[Astute]

As usual ignoring everything between. It went up under Labour at the end of their time in office during a global recession. For the most part, it was low and stable. But now we have loads of people in part time, temporary and low income work and you hail it as a Tory triumph.

It's pretty obvious who you should vote for. They've done such a marvellous job and can do no wrong in your eyes. If it was low under Labour, it's because of the Tories. If it was high under the Tories, it's because of Labour.

Just take off the tinted glasses for once

Either you haven't got a clue or you are just lying.

Look at the graph. Unemployment was going down until Labour got in. It levelled off then went up before the recession.

So it wasn't high for the Tories because it had shot up under Labour?

Why can't you just be truthful for once?

 

[Astute]

It was nowhere near 11% under Labour. ONS has the unemployment position at 5.3% when Labour lost control in May 1979.

This is what happened in the 70's

What was life like in 1970s Britain, the last time unemployment was THIS low? | This is Money

 

[shmmeee]

Do you need glasses?

Look at the graph. It shot up under Labour. It took a lot of shit with the Tories to bring it down from nearly 11%. When Bliar took over from the Tories unemployment was in freefall. Bliar managed to stop unemployment from dropping not too long after taking over. Then it shot up again under Labour. It went from 5% to 7.5%. Yes it went up by 50%. Then the Tories got back in. And strangely enough unemployment dropped again.

I love the way you can manipulate something like a graph to make ut sound totally different to the truth.

I do need glasses. And I’m wearing them. Here’s a graph with the ruling party overlaid:



Look at the area under the graph for each period.

 

[Astute]

I do need glasses. And I’m wearing them. Here’s a graph with the ruling party overlaid:

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Look at the area under the graph for each period.

And nothing to do with Labour?

Mountains of rubbish in the streets, half the country on strike, dead bodies laying around as they couldn't get buried, power cuts for half the week and so on. Yes we were nearly bankrupt. But nothing to do with Labour although they took us from record low unemployment to this mess in 4 years. Yet you still try your best to defend Labour.

You and BSB are right. I must apologise. I have reconsidered why I always voted Labour. I was like yourself when I was younger. But as I got older I questioned what is going on. You say the older generations vote Tory and the younger vote Labour. Correct. Why is that?

Maybe because the younger ones can't remember a Labour government. I constantly ask you when was the last half decent Labour government. You always ignore the question. So why do the older people not vote Labour? Is it because they remember what Labour governments are like?

I have 100% decided not to vote this GE. Could never vote for this shower of shite. Your rants have helped me to decide so thank you. Don't think I will ever vote Labour again. And thanks again for making me look more into it. But I am not ready to vote Tory. They are also a shower of shite. But for the first time ever will consider them next time.

And thanks fir asking why I vote Labour BSB. It made me think whilst busy at work. I couldn't think of a good reason ither than when they tell us what they would do if they get in power. Then when they get the chance they don't.

 

[SBAndy]

This is what happened in the 70's

What was life like in 1970s Britain, the last time unemployment was THIS low? | This is Money

I try to steer clear of the mud flinging but you’re making it very difficult. You said unemployment reached nearly 11% under Labour. I show you data that says it was less than half that. What is the point of your link?

 

[Ian1779]

But that hasn't happened though has it.

Labour took it up to nearly 11%. The Tories took it down to 5%. Labour took it up to 7.5%. Now the Tories have taken it to record employment.

How are you going to twist this one?

Let’s do the same thing with foodbank use, or homelessness rates.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And thanks fir asking why I vote Labour BSB. It made me think whilst busy at work. I couldn't think of a good reason ither than when they tell us what they would do if they get in power. Then when they get the chance they don't.

At last the truth comes out-shame it took this long. Unemployment under the Blair government stayed consistently low for nearly 10 years after the Tories left. Then the global recession came in around 2007/8 and it surged up. What I don't get is why you presumably voted for Brown in 2010 as the mess you blame him for was unfolding.

 

[Grendel]

At last the truth comes out-shame it took this long. Unemployment under the Blair government stayed consistently low for nearly 10 years after the Tories left. Then the global recession came in around 2007/8 and it surged up. What I don't get is why you presumably voted for Brown in 2010 as the mess you blame him for was unfolding.

people keep saying the Blair administration was not a socialist one and the last real labour administration was responsible for the escalation in the early Tory years due to its collapse of the wage agreement which led to eye watering wage inflation

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

people keep saying the Blair administration was not a socialist one and the last real labour administration was responsible for the escalation in the early Tory years due to its collapse of the wage agreement which led to eye watering wage inflation

What caused the escalation under John Major-bad luck?

 

[Grendel]

What caused the escalation under John Major-bad luck?

The wonderful decision to initially under thatcher join the EU ERM and the catastrophic fall out as interest rates climbed to 16% it’s what actually caused the split in the Tories due to absurd EU integration

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The wonderful decision to initially under thatcher join the EU ERM and the catastrophic fall out as interest rates climbed to 16% it’s what actually caused the split in the Tories due to absurd EU integration

Damn

 

[Walsgrave]

I know that the public finances were not in the best of positions back in 2010, but one of the most fucked up things to ever happen was the scrapping of the Building Schools for the Future programme. It was a total cop-out to the commitment on the part of the government to invest in making school buildings adequate. Children need a decent learning environment. Meanwhile Conservative politicians, few of whom actually send their kids to such schools, are able to avoid the consequences. It's part of the 'if it is good enough for me, then it is for you' mentality. There's only one way to describe such people - cheating chodes.

To put things into perspective, Coventry's programme would have costed £355 million, not an insignificant sum of course. But let's compare that to the £1 billion bribe that the Tories offered the DUP in 2017. That's over 3 local authority regions the size of Coventry whose schools would have been given the boost they needed.

The wonderful decision to initially under thatcher join the EU ERM and the catastrophic fall out as interest rates climbed to 16% it’s what actually caused the split in the Tories due to absurd EU integration

Nothing to do with the economic crisis at the end of Thatcher's tenure, when inflation interest rates had become unsustainably high, despite her government's attempts to control the money supply at the expense of everything else?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Tories 47% oh well the shit will continue for 5 years

 

[stupot07]

Boris and the Tories at 47%, how low this great country has sunk.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Oh well. So Labour has a leader that isn't a leader then.

Are you confusing a leader with a dictator? Churchill didn't just get to do whatever he wanted in WWII - it had to go through war cabinets etc. Many historians think his greatest strength was not really interfering with the military strategy and letting those more expert in that field have final say.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I am middle of the road yet a lifelong Labour voter and supporter. Yet I see major problems with both of them. The problem is that we are a two party system most of the time. Both sides are too extreme.

Then at some point consider voting for someone else. If you just buy into the two party system you just embolden them both to move towards the extremes safe in the knowledge that people will just suck up their worst bits rather than vote for the other.

Since the LD implosion due to their poor decision to take an AV referendum over their tuition fees pledge both Tories and Labour have moved more towards their extremes as they don't feel a threat in the middle anymore. When the LD were a reasonably credible alternative it pulled them both more central.

I'm not saying you should vote for the LD's (far from it) but this automatic "Labour or no-one" just seems like a very limiting voting position to take.

Out of interest, is your constituency a safe seat for either party or a marginal? It would make a bit more sense in a marginal or smallish majority.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I’m probably in the minority here but I think they should be paid more. When someone can earn more in other jobs it possibly means the best avoid the job and it opens it up further to those that are power hungry and means they are susceptible to lobbyists.

I’d try and introduce something that had much higher pay but no involvement in anything else and a complete ban on them working in an industry they’ve been involved in as a minister for x years after.

I agree with you on the lobbying/working thing.

Trouble is if you pay them more it doesn't put off the power hungry - it just makes it more appealing because they get paid more.

I definitely think their pay/pay rises should be linked to economic conditions such as a multiplier of average wage and pay rises throughout the public sector

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I know that the public finances were not in the best of positions back in 2010, but one of the most fucked up things to ever happen was the scrapping of the Building Schools for the Future programme. It was a total cop-out to the commitment on the part of the government to invest in making school buildings adequate. Children need a decent learning environment. Meanwhile Conservative politicians, few of whom actually send their kids to such schools, are able to avoid the consequences. It's part of the 'if it is good enough for me, then it is for you' mentality. There's only one way to describe such people - cheating chodes.

To put things into perspective, Coventry's programme would have costed £355 million, not an insignificant sum of course. But let's compare that to the £1 billion bribe that the Tories offered the DUP in 2017. That's over 3 local authority regions the size of Coventry whose schools would have been given the boost they needed.


Nothing to do with the economic crisis at the end of Thatcher's tenure, when inflation interest rates had become unsustainably high, despite her government's attempts to control the money supply at the expense of everything else?

Was that another PFI scheme? A lot of hospitals created under those schemes are really struggling paying the private investors

 

[Walsgrave]

Was that another PFI scheme? A lot of hospitals created under those schemes are really struggling paying the private investors

It was intended to be half PFI and half conventional government funding, and there have been problems with some of the PFI funded schools which had either been completed before or were in fact given the go ahead. Tony Blair's Labour government was guilty of accelerating the use of PFI, especially in schools and hospitals, but then he was also wearing Thatcher's clothes in a sense. The ridiculous drive to make health and educational institutions compete with, rather than collaborate with, one another really began during Thatcher's last few years where she attempted to hollow out the state and introduce some really radical plans to roll back the frontier and make these institutions operate in an almost market like environment - which does not end well as we know

 

[Sick Boy]

And nothing to do with Labour?

Mountains of rubbish in the streets, half the country on strike, dead bodies laying around as they couldn't get buried, power cuts for half the week and so on. Yes we were nearly bankrupt. But nothing to do with Labour although they took us from record low unemployment to this mess in 4 years. Yet you still try your best to defend Labour.

You and BSB are right. I must apologise. I have reconsidered why I always voted Labour. I was like yourself when I was younger. But as I got older I questioned what is going on. You say the older generations vote Tory and the younger vote Labour. Correct. Why is that?

Maybe because the younger ones can't remember a Labour government. I constantly ask you when was the last half decent Labour government. You always ignore the question. So why do the older people not vote Labour? Is it because they remember what Labour governments are like?

I have 100% decided not to vote this GE. Could never vote for this shower of shite. Your rants have helped me to decide so thank you. Don't think I will ever vote Labour again. And thanks again for making me look more into it. But I am not ready to vote Tory. They are also a shower of shite. But for the first time ever will consider them next time.

And thanks fir asking why I vote Labour BSB. It made me think whilst busy at work. I couldn't think of a good reason ither than when they tell us what they would do if they get in power. Then when they get the chance they don't.

Classic.

 

[Sick Boy]

And nothing to do with Labour?

Mountains of rubbish in the streets, half the country on strike, dead bodies laying around as they couldn't get buried, power cuts for half the week and so on. Yes we were nearly bankrupt. But nothing to do with Labour although they took us from record low unemployment to this mess in 4 years. Yet you still try your best to defend Labour.

You and BSB are right. I must apologise. I have reconsidered why I always voted Labour. I was like yourself when I was younger. But as I got older I questioned what is going on. You say the older generations vote Tory and the younger vote Labour. Correct. Why is that?

Maybe because the younger ones can't remember a Labour government. I constantly ask you when was the last half decent Labour government. You always ignore the question. So why do the older people not vote Labour? Is it because they remember what Labour governments are like?

I have 100% decided not to vote this GE. Could never vote for this shower of shite. Your rants have helped me to decide so thank you. Don't think I will ever vote Labour again. And thanks again for making me look more into it. But I am not ready to vote Tory. They are also a shower of shite. But for the first time ever will consider them next time.

And thanks fir asking why I vote Labour BSB. It made me think whilst busy at work. I couldn't think of a good reason ither than when they tell us what they would do if they get in power. Then when they get the chance they don't.

Classic.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Classic.

I can see why the Tories have a big lead...

 

[Ian1779]

22.5K followers and spouts this. Communication of actual facts might be an issue....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Boris and the Tories at 47%, how low this great country has sunk.

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He holds his pint high and then he lies

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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22.5K followers and spouts this. Communication of actual facts might be an issue....

Remind me again why it is rude to call these people dumbasses?