General election poll (2 Viewers)

[skybluecam]

Nearly over.....thank fuck.

I think they should introduce new election rules that state the voting must take place within 14 days of the date being announced.

Then maybe half the population won't have been bored to tears, drink or drugs.

I still reckon it'll be a shite turnout......

Would give a massive advantage to the incumbent

 

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[Otis]

Love this...

This is from the coolest bar/venue in Folkestone.





Hey you…and you…and everyone else really xx

Tomorrow’s a big day for the country without any doubt.

Those who can vote, should.

If you’ve a firm strong belief, then your vote is easy. Vote for what you believe.

Then there’s those that are unsure, or don’t like any of the alternatives on offer.

A colleague said ‘I don’t HAVE to vote…who’s saying I should. If they’re ALL rubbish, why should I?’
Kind of a fair comment…

However, on this occasion, PLEASE don’t waste your vote!

It would be nice to think that a change of leadership WILL make everything better…not sure if we all firmly believe that though and it will certainly take some time…but it would be nice and indeed about time.
That statement above doesn’t exactly make you want to run out and cast your vote though, does it??

BUT

Those in charge are accountable and in recent times, there’s been a normalizing of the MOST terrible behaviour, of blatant lying at the highest levels, of quite stunning hypocrisy and so much more that we'll never know I fear.

We all live by the same laws and should adhere to them - Prime Minister or Primary School teacher…all the same.

So as our public servants are accountable to the voters - vote!

A change is due.

Not because whomever is likely to win will make a 'night to day' difference to our country in an instant but because those that appear to abuse power (power given TO them) and really dent the countries moral compass NEED to be accountable and removed - as is the power of the voter to do so on July 4th.
If it achieves nothing else, it will remind those in power that they can be replaced.

Let’s all work at making our home a better place from Friday 5th July ♥ but that starts with casting your vote on Thursday 4th July - so please use It and make a change.

Chris & Liz
The Chambers

 

[Nick]

Love this...

This is from the coolest bar/venue in Folkestone.





Hey you…and you…and everyone else really xx

Tomorrow’s a big day for the country without any doubt.

Those who can vote, should.

If you’ve a firm strong belief, then your vote is easy. Vote for what you believe.

Then there’s those that are unsure, or don’t like any of the alternatives on offer.

A colleague said ‘I don’t HAVE to vote…who’s saying I should. If they’re ALL rubbish, why should I?’
Kind of a fair comment…

However, on this occasion, PLEASE don’t waste your vote!

It would be nice to think that a change of leadership WILL make everything better…not sure if we all firmly believe that though and it will certainly take some time…but it would be nice and indeed about time.
That statement above doesn’t exactly make you want to run out and cast your vote though, does it??

BUT

Those in charge are accountable and in recent times, there’s been a normalizing of the MOST terrible behaviour, of blatant lying at the highest levels, of quite stunning hypocrisy and so much more that we'll never know I fear.

We all live by the same laws and should adhere to them - Prime Minister or Primary School teacher…all the same.

So as our public servants are accountable to the voters - vote!

A change is due.

Not because whomever is likely to win will make a 'night to day' difference to our country in an instant but because those that appear to abuse power (power given TO them) and really dent the countries moral compass NEED to be accountable and removed - as is the power of the voter to do so on July 4th.
If it achieves nothing else, it will remind those in power that they can be replaced.

Let’s all work at making our home a better place from Friday 5th July ♥ but that starts with casting your vote on Thursday 4th July - so please use It and make a change.

Chris & Liz
The Chambers

Bit weird that a bar is telling people who to vote for without any policies etc to back it up?

 

[Otis]

Bit weird that a bar is telling people who to vote for without any policies etc to back it up?

They're not are they?

Aren't they just saying we need better than being lied to and corruption.

They are just saying change this government. Vote for you you want, who you think will bring change.

Anyway, under the Tories, because they have turned their backs on the arts. 125 grassroots music venues closed last year. The Chambers is one that might well close without help.



The idea banded about from within the small music industry and what they are all pushing for, is that a levy of £1 to be added to all UK gig tickets and that that would then be redirected to grassroots venues, as the large venues are really making a lot of money for the big gigs. A band promoting the approach are chart-topping rockers Enter Shikari, who donated £1 per ticket from their upcoming arena tour to distribute to smaller venues.

When asked about plans for sector support, Conservative MP and former culture secretary John Whittingdale said in November 2023: “We have no plans to impose a ticket levy."

It does affect them personally.

If they said "vote Labour", you would have more of a point

 

[Nick]

They're not are they?

Aren't they just saying we need better than being lied to and corruption.

They are just saying change this government. Vote for you you want, who you think will bring change.

Anyway, under the Tories, because they have turned their backs on the arts. 125 grassroots music venues closed last year. The Chambers is one that might well close without help.



The idea banded about from within the small music industry and what they are all pushing for, is that a levy of £1 to be added to all UK gig tickets and that that would then be redirected to grassroots venues, as the large venues are really making a lot of money for the big gigs. A band promoting the approach are chart-topping rockers Enter Shikari, who donated £1 per ticket from their upcoming arena tour to distribute to smaller venues.

When asked about plans for sector support, Conservative MP and former culture secretary John Whittingdale said in November 2023: “We have no plans to impose a ticket levy."

It does affect them personally.

If they said "vote Labour", you would have more of a point

It implies it

 

[clint van damme]

They're not are they?

Aren't they just saying we need better than being lied to and corruption.

They are just saying change this government. Vote for you you want, who you think will bring change.

Anyway, under the Tories, because they have turned their backs on the arts. 125 grassroots music venues closed last year. The Chambers is one that might well close without help.



The idea banded about from within the small music industry and what they are all pushing for, is that a levy of £1 to be added to all UK gig tickets and that that would then be redirected to grassroots venues, as the large venues are really making a lot of money for the big gigs. A band promoting the approach are chart-topping rockers Enter Shikari, who donated £1 per ticket from their upcoming arena tour to distribute to smaller venues.

When asked about plans for sector support, Conservative MP and former culture secretary John Whittingdale said in November 2023: “We have no plans to impose a ticket levy."

It does affect them personally.

If they said "vote Labour", you would have more of a point

The arts, especially music, is something we excel in and a much underrated part of our economy, it needs looking after.
Otherwise we'll be over run with fucking K pop!

 

[Otis]

It implies it

Well, they are saying who NOT to vote for. Lots of choices though out there.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Labour will win by a mile, but that's really a symptom of the public rejecting the Conservatives more than anything else. The latter will get tanked and you can't say they don't deserve it.

The Lib Dems will pick up quite a few seats, but again, this will be largely in part to them not being either the Conservatives or Labour, and the most 'normal' alternative.

If the election would have been a week ago, Reform probably would have had a bigger impact, but the combination of a few hit campaigns, and a few silly things said by Farage will have lost them some votes.

The Green Party will get a few votes but nothing spectacular I would imagine.

Voter turnout will be interesting. I think apathy towards all the parties are at an all time high. However, there is a lot of anger towards the Conservatives and that might just be the kicker for more people to get out and stick it to them.

 

[shmmeee]

The arts, especially music, is something we excel in and a much underrated part of our economy, it needs looking after.
Otherwise we'll be over run with fucking K pop!

What do you make of the theory that the best policy for the arts is a generous benefits package that allows people not to work and that’s why the 60s-90s were so good for British talent?

 

[Otis]

What do you make of the theory that the best policy for the arts is a generous benefits package that allows people not to work and that’s why the 60s-90s were so good for British talent?

Ooh. Good question. Not considered that.

 

[Otis]

Labour will win by a mile, but that's really a symptom of the public rejecting the Conservatives more than anything else. The latter will get tanked and you can't say they don't deserve it.

The Lib Dems will pick up quite a few seats, but again, this will be largely in part to them not being either the Conservatives or Labour, and the most 'normal' alternative.

If the election would have been a week ago, Reform probably would have had a bigger impact, but the combination of a few hit campaigns, and a few silly things said by Farage will have lost them some votes.

The Green Party will get a few votes but nothing spectacular I would imagine.

Voter turnout will be interesting. I think apathy towards all the parties are at an all time high. However, there is a lot of anger towards the Conservatives and that might just be the kicker for more people to get out and stick it to them.

This is very much an anti-Tory election, rather than a pro Labour one.

So many people I have heard say, they just want this Tory government out.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This is very much an anti-Tory election, rather than a pro Labour one.

So many people I have heard say, they just want this Tory government out.

Yep. Was not taken by the Labour manifesto, but if the labour candidate doesn't win in my area, then the only other one who likely will is Tory. So it kind of leaves me with little choice if I want to be sure.

 

[shmmeee]

This is very much an anti-Tory election, rather than a pro Labour one.

So many people I have heard say, they just want this Tory government out.

2010 was anti Labour, 2015 was anti Clegg, 2017 was anti Brexit and 2019 was anti Corbyn.

I can’t remember the last pro anyone election.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can’t remember the last pro anyone election.

Second Blair term

 

[Nick]

This is very much an anti-Tory election, rather than a pro Labour one.

So many people I have heard say, they just want this Tory government out.

This is what I don't get, surely you vote for whoever's policies appeal the most to you?

Imagine if voting was done like that, it lists policies and you pick which one appeals to you for that subject and that's where your vote goes.

It's why politics is wank and just picking whoever isn't as much of a c**t as opposed to somebody who's amazing.

 

[shmmeee]

Second Blair term

Fair, I was 20 and voted Monster Raving Looney Party for the lols so wasn’t exactly plugged in to the political zeitgeist

 

[fernandopartridge]

What do you make of the theory that the best policy for the arts is a generous benefits package that allows people not to work and that’s why the 60s-90s were so good for British talent?

I assume by benefits package you are talking about the mass availability of cheap housing too? There is probably something in what you say.

 

[shmmeee]

I assume by benefits package you are talking about the mass availability of cheap housing too? There is probably something in what you say.

Yeah student grants, JSA, cheaper housing especially in cities where the scene is big (Brighton, London, Bristol, Manchester, Liverpool). Basically the ability to live off the state in one way or another while eating noodles and playing back rooms.

 

[Nick]

Yeah student grants, JSA, cheaper housing especially in cities where the scene is big (Brighton, London, Bristol, Manchester, Liverpool). Basically the ability to live off the state in one way or another while eating noodles and playing back rooms.

Sounds like a great life, just blag being an artist while flicking paint on a canvas and let everybody else pay for your life.

 

[shmmeee]

Sounds like a great life, just blag being an artist while flicking paint on a canvas and let everybody else pay for your life.

Well that’s why we’ve got what we’ve got now is exactly that sentiment. But there’s an argument it’s a better way to spend money on the arts than throwing grants at privately educated non binary otherkins to put on a one person show about the traumatic stress of Brexit or whatever.

 

[shmmeee]

I’d see art like startup culture anyway. You either let people live for free for a couple of years while they figure out if they can make it work, or you rely on the whims of stupidly rich patrons to decide what gets made and it’s probably made by the friends and family of said stupidly rich people.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Fair, I was 20 and voted Monster Raving Looney Party for the lols so wasn’t exactly plugged in to the political zeitgeist

I preferred the old you!

 

[clint van damme]

What do you make of the theory that the best policy for the arts is a generous benefits package that allows people not to work and that’s why the 60s-90s were so good for British talent?

I thi k its true.
A lot of the bands I like would probably not of existed without dole/YTS money.

 

[Otis]

This is what I don't get, surely you vote for whoever's policies appeal the most to you?

Imagine if voting was done like that, it lists policies and you pick which one appeals to you for that subject and that's where your vote goes.

It's why politics is wank and just picking whoever isn't as much of a c**t as opposed to somebody who's amazing.

It should be shouldn't it.

I am all for proportional representation, or a mix of PR and the system we have now

We really should be voting for an MP we have faith in and believe in.

Anyway, the Tories, to my eyes, and so many others, have done a terrible job. So surely it makes sense to vote to not get them back in again.

 

[MusicDating]

I've backed under 60% turnout at 9/1. That's the only thing I'm really prepared to put money to. Could be wrong, but felt like the value range.

My predictions:

Unsure on Conservative seats, think around 110 to 120 but odds ranges are far wider and offer no value. I think around 430 Labour seats, the usual NI leaving around 100 mixed for SNP, Green, Clwyd, Lib Dem & Reform. I think Reform will likely be around 15% but only translate to 2 seats.

Turnout is an interesting one. I can see a lot of Cons not wanting to vote Con, but not wanting to vote anyone else either! Plus the general 'they're all c-units' view.

Banbury has been Conservative since WWI and Labour is generally 5/1 ON to win. Surely if that's reflected across the country, Cons will be lucky to get 50 seats!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can see a lot of Cons not wanting to vote Con, but not wanting to vote anyone else either!

I actually think the fear of an overwhelming Labour majority might swing a fair few of those back to holding their nose and voting Conservative.

 

[Sick Boy]

They're not are they?

Aren't they just saying we need better than being lied to and corruption.

They are just saying change this government. Vote for you you want, who you think will bring change.

Anyway, under the Tories, because they have turned their backs on the arts. 125 grassroots music venues closed last year. The Chambers is one that might well close without help.



The idea banded about from within the small music industry and what they are all pushing for, is that a levy of £1 to be added to all UK gig tickets and that that would then be redirected to grassroots venues, as the large venues are really making a lot of money for the big gigs. A band promoting the approach are chart-topping rockers Enter Shikari, who donated £1 per ticket from their upcoming arena tour to distribute to smaller venues.

When asked about plans for sector support, Conservative MP and former culture secretary John Whittingdale said in November 2023: “We have no plans to impose a ticket levy."

It does affect them personally.

If they said "vote Labour", you would have more of a point

Knowing Kent they probably mean Reform.

 

[San Francisco]

It's why politics is wank and just picking whoever isn't as much of a c**t as opposed to somebody who's amazing.

That's the problem with politics. It's rare anyone genuinely amazing worth voting for actually shows up.

 

[chiefdave]

A lot of the bands I like would probably not of existed without dole/YTS money.

A huge number of bands and artists now come through places like BIMM and ACM which are full of kids with rich parents.

Couple that with a huge number of grassroots venues closing and its rapidly becoming something for rich kids only.

 

[JAM See]

A huge number of bands and artists now come through places like BIMM and ACM which are full of kids with rich parents.

Couple that with a huge number of grassroots venues closing and its rapidly becoming something for rich kids only.

This is a direct consequence of the voting demographic.

Young people don't vote in the numbers that oldies do.

Ergo... "Fuck the youth, they don't vote anyway" approach from all parties. Mummies and daddies can serve us up shite like Mumford and sons, Coldplay and Lily fucking Allen.

CV would make every party pay attention to the yoot, and give us more diversity in music and other arts.

Voting should be a duty, not just a right

 

[shmmeee]

Ideal result is LD official opposition and Farage to lose Clacton and Labour to have a stonking majority.

I think it’ll be closer. Tories will get 100+ I think, just think people will rally at the last minute and save them and they’ll sneak through a few three ways with Reform and independents. Farage will win, Reform maybe 4-6 seats, Greens 2-4, Lib Dem’s around 60.

Those are my from my ass predictions.

Should give my ass more credit.

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

It's over!!! It's finally fucking over!!!! (For 5 years at least)

Goodbye you absolute scumbags.

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[Macca1987]

How does Braverman get in again with a 25k majority, there must be some real fuckwits living in her constituency

 

[Ian1779]

Should give my ass more credit.

Good call, I was genuinely suprised at the fall off for SNP though. Just about got my Indy/Green/Reform mix right though

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ok, if we're in prediction mode.

Labour win large majority, but not quite as big as some think.
Low turnout c. 60-65%
Labour won't win as many seats as Blair did first time round, but could get around 400.
Conservatives may well have their lowest seats ever, but won't get as bad as double figures. Too many will vote for them regardless. Say around 120-150 seats.
SNP to lose a few of their seats due to recent scandals and no longer be the third party but will remain quite popular in Scotland. LD/Labour to take most of those they lose. Say 30 - 35 seats.
LD to become the third party again with around 40-50 seats.
Was a bit worried about Reform taking a few seats but think Farage fucked it (maybe deliberately) with his Russia comments. May get a decent number of overall votes but not many seats/ Might get about 10 seats. Farage to win this time round (then defect to Tories at some point in the future)
Greens could get 3-4, but like Reform get a decent amount of votes but not many seats.

Pretty happy with my prediction.

Only main failure was not getting just how much the SNP would lose. Take that difference, add it to the LD's (who I though would be their main challenger) and I'm not far off.