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Liquid Gold said:
I think more has been made of his past than is there and he would make a better PM than the other candidate.
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Better than shit doesn't mean good enough though.
 
Astute said:
We have had the Tories in for too long. It happens each time. Who doesn't know that they look after their own and don't care about the rest of us?
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quite a few looking at this thread.
 
Joy Division said:
You are ignoring what you want.
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What's that?

I haven't tried defending anyone. None of them are offering us what we want or need with proper costings in place. I don't trust any of them. I am not being biased in any way. I am a lifelong Labour supporter who doesn't like the way they are going forward. If anything they are going backwards. How abour you?
 
Liquid Gold said:
I think more has been made of his past than is there and he would make a better PM than the other candidate.
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I think his past regarding the IRA speaks for itself if you look at the facts, and yet people are trying to excuse him from it in some way. Whether he or May would be the better PM I have no idea, but I can't vote for him.

Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember the bombings and murders, or that I had a secretary from NI, who told me some of the horrors she personally witnessed at the hands of the IRA when she lived there, but I cannot vote for him. If it wasn't Corbyn leading the Labour party, my vote could change.
 
Nick said:
Corbyn needs to condemn the IRA to be honest.
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Hasn't he already condemned ALL Terrorists & ALL bombings?

He carefully lumps them all together & condemns the lot - the media & a few on here seem obsessed with getting him to condemn just the IRA though

Why specifically the IRA?

It's only like blaming Teresa May with the murder of innocent civilians in Yemen for example who apparently happen to be infested with a few terrorists/rebels depending which side of whatever fence.

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olderskyblue said:
I think his past regarding the IRA speaks for itself if you look at the facts, and yet people are trying to excuse him from it in some way. Whether he or May would be the better PM I have no idea, but I can't vote for him.

Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember the bombings and murders, or that I had a secretary from NI, who told me some of the horrors she personally witnessed at the hands of the IRA when she lived there, but I cannot vote for him. If it wasn't Corbyn leading the Labour party, my vote could change.
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If Corbyn wasn't the leader I would be voting Labour.
 
Astute said:
What's that?

I haven't tried defending anyone. None of them are offering us what we want or need with proper costings in place. I don't trust any of them. I am not being biased in any way. I am a lifelong Labour supporter who doesn't like the way they are going forward. If anything they are going backwards. How abour you?
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That there are no longer the troubles in Ireland, a horrible past that in the main is now over. A peace agreement was made and whatever actions were taken to make that happen were made. Seems like some are trying to provoke what doesn't need to be rocked, perhaps Corbyn isn't so keen to talk about this issue as its something that does not need to be changed. BTW, he has condemed the IRA bombings.....and the 'brave' quotes that people keep alluding to are in context to bravery between both sides to come to a peace agreement “I think we should recognise that peace was achieved by a lot of bravery both in the unionist community as well as in the nationalist community."

I think Corbyn being leader is by far a better prospect than the Tories right now. I like the NHS, I like the idea of giving hope to young people who aren't as lucky as the few. I would much rather Sir Keir Starmer who had a career in human rights law then went on to become Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the CPS leading Brexit negotiations than David Davis, the guy who made a drunken lunge at a fellow MP in the Commons bar and Boris Johnson who was happy to print lies on the side of his bus to advance his personal gain.
 
SkyblueBazza said:
Hasn't he already condemned ALL Terrorists & ALL bombings?

He carefully lumps them all together & condemns the lot - the media & a few on here seem obsessed with getting him to condemn just the IRA though

Why specifically the IRA?

It's only like blaming Teresa May with the murder of innocent civilians in Yemen for example who apparently happen to be infested with a few terrorists/rebels depending which side of whatever fence.

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He condemned all bombings. And he had to be pushed hard for that.

Why the IRA? He was nothing to do with all the other terrorist organisations.
 
Joy Division said:
That there are no longer the troubles in Ireland, a horrible past that in the main is now over. A peace agreement was made and whatever actions were taken to make that happen were made. Seems like some are trying to provoke what doesn't need to be rocked, perhaps Corbyn isn't so keen to talk about this issue as its something that does not need to be changed. BTW, he has condemed the IRA bombings.....and the 'brave' quotes that people keep alluding to are in context to bravery between both sides to come to a peace agreement “I think we should recognise that peace was achieved by a lot of bravery both in the unionist community as well as in the nationalist community."

I think Corbyn being leader is by far a better prospect than the Tories right now. I like the NHS, I like the idea of giving hope to young people who aren't as lucky as the few. I would much rather Sir Keir Starmer who had a career in human rights law then went on to become Director of Public Prosecutions and Head of the CPS leading Brexit negotiations that David Davis, the guy who made a drunken lunge at a fellow MP in the Commons bar and Boris Johnson who was happy to print lies on the side of his bus to advance his personal gain.
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So you have found a different quote from him where he uses the word brave.

And who is disagreeing with anything about the Tories?
 
Astute said:
So you have found a different quote from him where he uses the word brave.
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You've picked out the word again but what do you think to the first part of what I wrote? These two things are important.

Astute said:
And who is disagreeing with anything about the Tories?
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You asked me what I thought.
 
Grendel said:
Can you tell me what Mr Corbyns policy on Brexit is?
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Can you tell me Mays.
The Torys are reviled in Europe and perceived as the instrumental force behind
The catastrophic mess that is Brexit, they will be done no favours, trust me.
Corbyn will enter talks with a fresh perspective, and is far more likely to garner
Support from Europe in affording us a "Soft Brexit "
 
Joy Division said:
You've picked out the word again but what do you think to the first part of what I wrote? These two things are important.



You asked me what I thought.
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Where you tried to still make out he never said that the IRA members were brave?

Yes I want more police on the streets. But it wouldn't be as easy...or as cheap as they say. Yes I want a better NHS. I went private 14 months ago and had my last operation a few weeks ago for nerve damage on my left arm. I can have an operation the next day when needed. On the NHS I would be joining a long list. I wouldn't have to travel to Manchester all the time. I know I am lucky to be able to go private.

Lies for the Brexit vote? They were all full of shit. But yet again you only say what goes with the point you are trying to make.
 
Brylowes said:
Can you tell me Mays.
The Torys are reviled in Europe and perceived as the instrumental force behind
The catastrophic mess that is Brexit, they will be done no favours, trust me.
Corbyn will enter talks with a fresh perspective, and is far more likely to garner
Support from Europe in affording us a "Soft Brexit "
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It won't be easy for whoever is involved in the Brexit negotiations. Those in charge of the EU don't want us to leave. We pump too much money in each year for them to be happy with us leaving. And they don't want others to leave.
 
Astute said:
Where you tried to still make out he never said that the IRA members were brave?

Yes I want more police on the streets. But it wouldn't be as easy...or as cheap as they say. Yes I want a better NHS. I went private 14 months ago and had my last operation a few weeks ago for nerve damage on my left arm. I can have an operation the next day when needed. On the NHS I would be joining a long list. I wouldn't have to travel to Manchester all the time. I know I am lucky to be able to go private.

Lies for the Brexit vote? They were all full of shit. But yet again you only say what goes with the point you are trying to make.
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Do you have any basic understanding of how peace agreements work, and how peace agreements are maintained?
 
And instead of picking out the word, what is the actual quote?
 
Joy Division said:
Do you have any basic understanding of how peace agreements work, and how peace agreements are maintained?
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Not being part of the propaganda for starters.
 
Deleted member 5849 said:
Putting his name to this in 1994 not good enough, it seems



Nor these answers



What's frightening, is he was dead right about Northern Ireland wasn't he - a political solution brought success, talking to all sides brought success.
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C'mon now, how much more does he have to say than the second quotes I put in this post, let alone the first one?!?

Can we stop the nonsense that he has never condemned the IRA? Pointless me carrying on if the same tired mantra is repeated over and over.
 
Deleted member 5849 said:
I showed you earlier in this thread and you ignored it!
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No you didn't. He mentioned the bombings. Not the IRA itself. And he was pushed hard to even say that.

To me that would include the shootings, torturing and everything else that went on. And yes all sides were at fault.
 
Astute said:
As you know I posted the link earlier. Not going to keep doing it for you.
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I read the link and it doesnt back up your claim, if I've missed something in there tell me what it is.
 
Deleted member 5849 said:
C'mon now, how much more does he have to say than the second quotes I put in this post, let alone the first one?!?

Can we stop the nonsense that he has never condemned the IRA? Pointless me carrying on if the same tired mantra is repeated over and over.
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Strange how no one seems bothered by the fact that as world leaders condemned the London and Manchester attacks that theresas mate the Saudis didn't, much more pertinent and worrying for me.
 
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